New ICE Vehicles Banned in California by 2035

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by soundman98

they estimate that it takes 40,000 miles for a hummer ev to equal the carbon emissions of a ram trx while including the manufacturing process...

https://www.thedrive.com/news/electr...than-you-think

It’s only going to get better for EVs, especially if battery tech really improves. I’m thinking of my lithium ion battery at 4.5lbs and how it replaced the lead acid battery that was 30lbs. What if sodium sulfur batteries could replace lithium ion and have a similar effect or lithium sodium or whatever combination. If we saw an EV battery with Plaid power and Plaid motors, but only a current 30kWh battery in weight, meaning Nissan Leaf-like weight, then range would go up and performance would be ridiculous. If they can do sodium sulfur batteries then the carbon footprint, cost and feasibility would dramatically change things in favor of EVs. We would be talking fast charging, long range, lightweight and more powerful all coming together with reliability that would make Lexus impressed. Game over for ICEs outside of nostalgic classics.

If a current 400mile battery could go 1200-1600 miles because it was 3-4x as energy dense, that is like 10 recharges a year for 12k-16k miles/year of driving, which means a 1000 cycle battery could last 100 years, meaning one battery could last you for your whole life and then be gifted to your kids or repurposed for grid storage.

https://news.umich.edu/1000-cycle-li...ehicle-ranges/

[WolfpackS2k]

I'd advise anyone looking to consider an EV to wait until solid state batteries are mainstream.

Additionally, for anyone that honestly cars about the environment, they're better off waiting for EVs that don't rely on precious metals.

[spcmafia]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

I'd advise anyone looking to consider an EV to wait until solid state batteries are mainstream.

Additionally, for anyone that honestly cars about the environment, they're better off waiting for EVs that don't rely on precious metals.

Additionally. If it doesn't go like "Broom..BROOOM BROOOM" and it doesn't also go like "BRAAAAAAAP...STUTUTUTUTU" it is not a vehicle worth getting.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by spcmafia

Additionally. If it doesn't go like "Broom..BROOOM BROOOM" and it doesn't also go like "BRAAAAAAAP...STUTUTUTUTU" it is not a vehicle worth getting.

Well, they can do that, with the right programming and audio clips.

[Dadhawk]

Interesting article comparing the EV trucks to their ICE counterparts and where the "ecology" portion of the equation crosses. For example the Hummer EV vs the Ram TRX. You need to drive the Hummer 40,000 miles to offset the difference in CO2 increase as part of the manufacturing process.

Now, mind you, that seems relatively reasonable to me, I suppose until you have to replace the battery pack (assuming you do) somewhere down the road and it resets a bit.

[spcmafia]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Well, they can do that, with the right programming and audio clips.

Wouldn't it make it sound like you're stuck on an infinite 1st gear though?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by spcmafia

Wouldn't it make it sound like you're stuck on an infinite 1st gear though?

That's where the programming comes in. Sound changes at MPH points. Could even program in a little brake grab to give you a shifting gears feel. Maybe a faux gear lever too for the "full engagement" experience.

[spcmafia]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

That's where the programming comes in. Sound changes at MPH points. Could even program in a little brake grab to give you a shifting gears feel. Maybe a faux gear lever too for the "full engagement" experience.

That's it, I'm sold. They should also add a sort of simulated piston rocketing, where the vehicle comes to a full stop, and a small tank to disperse oil and metal parts. So you don't forget what it felt to have an ICE.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

I'd advise anyone looking to consider an EV to wait until solid state batteries are mainstream.

Additionally, for anyone that honestly cars about the environment, they're better off waiting for EVs that don't rely on precious metals.

I think many people find EVs to be fine for them without the need for a solid state battery.

Additionally, as it was pointed out two posts ago, EVs are "greener", even when they pull electricity from coal and gas power, and even when battery production is considered. See below:

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...&postcount=798

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Interesting article comparing the EV trucks to their ICE counterparts and where the "ecology" portion of the equation crosses. For example the Hummer EV vs the Ram TRX. You need to drive the Hummer 40,000 miles to offset the difference in CO2 increase as part of the manufacturing process.

Now, mind you, that seems relatively reasonable to me, I suppose until you have to replace the battery pack (assuming you do) somewhere down the road and it resets a bit.

Dejavu.

Also, recycling batteries and recycling ICE vehicles are typically considered in end-of-life calculations. Batteries are being recycled and used for grid storage more and more. The video I posted talked about a 1000 cycle battery being possible, which is likely to last for decades beyond the normal lifecycle of a typical car.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/show...&postcount=798

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Dejavu...]

Indeed. I missed the original post somehow.

[WolfpackS2k]

^^^Does nothing for sustainability. Just dressing up the same problem in a new costume. Which is fine, when the government isn't shoving it down your throat.

[Spuds]

I would be fine getting an EV as a third car to run around town in if I had a powered third garage space and they weren't more expensive than my other two cars combined. But I don't and they aren't.

[clio]

The potential for EV's is huge imho. It isn't too difficult to imagine this imho:

1) EV's drive themselves (Tesla is already making big gains in this space)
2) Cars 'talk' to one another in real time, and
3) ... This makes them all but crash proof, meaning most impact safety systems could be removed from vehicles (reducing cost and weight)
4) Traffic lights could be removed. All traffic is staggered and speed governed to ensuring a non-stop journey. Traffic will simply 'interlace'
5) Uber-style transport, without drivers, will be ridiculously cheap meaning most people will not have to own cars.

Whilst as a driving enthusiast this sounds awful I think a future that resembles this is very likely