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11-29-2021, 09:45 AM | #1 |
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Car & Driver Comparison Test Review: Veloster N vs. GTI vs. BRZ vs. GR86
2022 Hyundai Veloster N vs. Subaru BRZ vs. Toyota GR86 vs. VW GTI
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11-29-2021, 10:20 PM | #2 |
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It's interesting that MotorTrend ranked the GTI better than the BRZ in their comparison.
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2...n-test-review/ I guess it comes down to whether you view a car more as a toy or as a transport. |
11-30-2021, 12:59 AM | #3 |
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Unf! I am torn over selling the FRS. Maybe I'll wait for the i4 to come in first. Then decide.
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11-30-2021, 11:30 AM | #5 |
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Looking like the new Twins are a home run. I haven't seen any reviews that weren't good.
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11-30-2021, 12:10 PM | #6 |
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When you look at on the on paper numbers, features, the added practicality, and equivalent or superior performance metrics of the GTI or Veloster, the 86/BRZ can be a hard sell. FWD cars can be quite good, especially when based on volume models. For 7/10ths and below driving, you are better off with the GTI and Veloster, which for 90% of people will be more than enough. At 9/10ths, I still think it would be hard for many people to make the decision, even if the feel of RWD is better.
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11-30-2021, 12:14 PM | #7 |
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FWD cars can only be boring as shit, lol
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Too late. You already went back to stock brake pads.
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Took the steering wheel spacer off too! The only mods remaining are a front lip and a gas pedal widener.
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The whole "it is too slow" and "the XXX is way better" didn't show up until later. Let's remember that the second gen cars are an improvement but every other car has improved in the last 8 years as well. The Twins did not not get better in isolation so whatever was "faster", "more practical" or whatever then would still apply now.
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Plus we are approaching the end of ICE cars, so to me at least, the 2nd gen feels like a swan song to affordable, rwd, japanese sports cars of yesteryear as we approach the EV future whether we like it or not. For example using myself, I had to have this car, I grew up on 90's rwd shit boxes, the GR86/BRZ feel like the last of their kind. Maybe my reaction is misplaced, but I really think this gen will be a classic 10-15 years from now, maybe sooner depending how the EV / hybridization push continues. |
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I would expect it to be quicker than a car that ended production 12 years ago, one that has not had an upgrade in 5 years and the version it is replacing. All that should be a given. You wait. It won't take long for the internet to decide that it should be at least 250HP and a full second faster to be able to compete with minivans and the family sedan.
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