Vivid Racing - Agency Power Dyno Runs Part III

[TouchMyHonda]

The gains a more the likely high because the compression is so high oem. With tuning this will pull even more power. With some cams thrown at this motor and I can see as high as 240-250 wheel out of a 3inch exhaust and a proper intake.

[ngabdala]

MODS PLEASE CLEAN UP THREAD

[Noahsark]

Pm price on crosspipe, catback, pulley

[vividracing]

Originally Posted by _hollywood

Would i be able to purchase the header and midpipe and bolt them to my stock axleback? Im assuming i would need a small reducer flange....

The header and cross over pipe will bolt up to the stock catback. But the big choke point in the stock catback. You can see it in the dyno sheets.

Originally Posted by Jidonsu

Ooh. Interesting data. Is it just me or is the header not doing much?

Header is hitting a wall called stock Catback!

Originally Posted by CBR600RR

PM for the price on the cat-back and the pully please.

Also - quick question:

all these dyno pulls are showing the results of just bolt-ons with no tuning of the AFR right? What affect are the bolt-ons having on the AFR? hopefully its not leaning out the engine too much?

Props to all this hard work BTW!!!!

Originally Posted by brichard0625

^ im wondering same thing...i love this setup, and the gains i see across the chart! i would love to run a turbo but i dont plan on racing but i do want a little kick in power . will there be a package offered with everything?.. or at least a full exhaust package?

Its a plug and play exhaust. Each piece is made to work with the stock part. You can pick which combos you would like to run. Just straight bolt it up and go.

Originally Posted by slrml617

so lets see

Stock 174whp
Header +4
cross pipe +11
CBE +12
Pulley +12

Combos
Header+Cross pipe +5
Cross pipe+CBE +15
Header+Cross pipe+CBE+pulley +26

The gain from the pulley and cross pipe are amazingly high
On the other head, I would assume the gain from the header would be higher.

individually the header +4whp and the CP +11whp but plus together they only +5whp?

Is there anyway to explain this?

The poor AP header has to deal with the stock cross over pipe flow and the stock catback flow. It really does choke it. But performance was not the top of the list for the stock catback.

Originally Posted by TouchMyHonda

The gains a more the likely high because the compression is so high oem. With tuning this will pull even more power. With some cams thrown at this motor and I can see as high as 240-250 wheel out of a 3inch exhaust and a proper intake.

I good high comp build, cams, portwork, cleaned up heads and cams, This car is going to be a screamer. I would love to build one at home. But I do not have the garage space or time right now.

[vividracing]

Originally Posted by Opposed

Hang in there man, there are a lot of people in here that appreciate and respect the hard work you put in the past couple of days (me being one of them) Just stay focused and do your thing. The last thing I want is for all of this to ruin your excitement for this car. I hope you guys continue to do more R&D and create more products to enhance this platform.

We do have more on the way. From what I have seen on the intake. I'm also most scared to post about it when I get the green light. Outside of the motor. We have a bunch more in the works.

Originally Posted by EZWood

It could have to do with the driver when the Dyno runs are done.

Jason does a great job running the dyno at the same repeatable passes each time. You can see it in the sheets. Its really hard to do that.

[vividracing]

Originally Posted by 86_ZN6

nice numbers!

if the exhaust tips were not sticking out that much, i would definitely buy this exhaust!

but yeah it looks weird IMO. are you guys considering revising the tips??

I can ask them about the tips. But last I heard this was the final cut. I have also had a few requests for single exit systems.

I will take these concerns over to AP and talk with them.

[FT-86GOD]

single exit in titanium.....

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Symbiont

I've been seeing 165ish on dynojets after break in; mustangs usually record less than a Dynojet, not more.

All dynos vary. And you can make a MD say whatever number you want it to say.

That's not a knock on the results posted, just that the numbers themselves are meaningless to compare (the gains are a different story).

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by subatoy

Taking into consideration that a turbo Kit running 4psi will cost $5k and basically give
you the same results, this is not that bad, plus you retain NA drivability.

Somewhat off topic, but the 4PSI barrier is dead soon (if not already) and the gains aren't that close to each other. So that $5k 4psi setup will soon be a $5k 7psi setup...

Again not knocking either side but the statement above isn't very accurate.

[vividracing]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

All dynos vary. And you can make a MD say whatever number you want it to say.

That's not a knock on the results posted, just that the numbers themselves are meaningless to compare (the gains are a different story).

Yes its really apples and oranges when comparing dyno's You can an idea of the per car gain. Even our base lines where different. (EZwood and Vivids car) Then add all the outside issues. Temp, Alt, and so on.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Somewhat off topic, but the 4PSI barrier is dead soon (if not already) and the gains aren't that close to each other. So that $5k 4psi setup will soon be a $5k 7psi setup...

Again not knocking either side but the statement above isn't very accurate.

The nice part about Turbos is its a kick in the pants. My Subaru pushing 35psi is a hoot on the track. But that is a Cosworth motor and a Fullrace set up. I hope the turbo development keeps growing. But hope people use caution . Turbo's can bite pretty hard. I have three blown Subaru motors over it. All three never even seen track time. They all failed in their own Subaru way.

I remember the old days with the 4AGE motors (hybrids). NA screamers (20valve), FA Screamers (Hasselgren) , S/C guys and then the Turbo crowd. The N/A guys were always trying to battle it out with the forced induction guys. I still own my HKS twincharge AW11. 68k miles on the clocks. Going to be taking it out of storage here soon. Have a fully rebuilt small port motor for it.

[deedz]

Id be interested in a quad setup for sure!

[SkullWorks]

Originally Posted by vividracing

Jason does a great job running the dyno at the same repeatable passes each time. You can see it in the sheets. Its really hard to do that.

There is alot of DYNO MYTH being spread in this thread for some reason.

there is no skill, REPEAT THERE IS NO SKILL!!! in making a dyno pull, outside of minimizing the temp/humidity/airflow and engine operating temps, there is nothing you can do OR THAT AN OPERATOR SHOULD DO to make runs repeatable. end of story, you get the car rolling on the dyno to desired gear/rpm, start sampling, hold pedal to floor. there is no driver competency involved in making a power pull on the dyno, anyone who tells you otherwise is blowing smoke or running a janky engine or dyno.

in regards to an earlier post about inirtial dyno's "guessing" at HP numbers...this stuff makes my blood boil, do you even understand what horsepower is? it is a measure of work done vs time, accelerating a known mass is the most direct way to measure that. if anything, a load bearing dyno is a guess, it relies on calibrations to approximate the load being generated, which varies greatly based on type of resistance/load etc.


please people if you don't know what you are talking about don't "school" people,


and vivid Great job on the break down but

1. don't feed the trolls

2. shame on you for feeding the poor understanding of dynos, Jason may be the nicest guy in the world but when he is "driving on the dyno" his only function in life should be that of a brick in relation to the throttle pedal...give credit where it is due, and accept it under the same circumstances.

[markmatley]

Validation! =) Great job!

[Exhaust]

Originally Posted by milenko11

Actually we doubted the 40 whp gain from the exhaust, not the 200 whp so much. Every dyno is different. This data still doesn't show the gains they originally claimed though.

Actually before Vivid alot of people were throwing around numbers on just how this car would respond to bolt ons and plenty thought 200whp was a stretch. Im well aware about Vivid's exhaust and pully foolishness. But my reference to 200whp was more of the general forum speculation.