Anyone else not planning on too much performance mods?

[Kona61]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Please don't do a harness and fixed back seat without at least a properly designed and installed 4 point roll bar.

Bolt-in is fine assuming it's designed and built well, ties into the correct spots in the chassis and the backing plates are in double shear.

Yea definitely do not recommend bolting to the floor unless you like fusing the vertebrae of your spine together

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Kona61

Yea definitely do not recommend bolting to the floor unless you like fusing the vertebrae of your spine together

A properly designed and installed bolt-in roll bar is fine. Here is a perfect example of one, with a car that doesn't even have a roof. This is the same 4-pt bar I used on my track rat Miata.

[OkieSnuffBox]

And for those about to say something dumb, it's a Miata with a hardtop. But the fiberglass hardtops are in no way structural. They are purely aerodynamic when it comes to track work.

[Frost]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

A properly designed and installed bolt-in roll bar is fine. Here is a perfect example of one, with a car that doesn't even have a roof. This is the same 4-pt bar I used on my track rat Miata.

Thanks for sharing. I get particularly triggered when people argue they don't need a roll bar because they don't go to the high speed tracks. You can still easily roll a car at 30mph if you go off into soft dirt like the way you did. Glad to know you got out ok.

[Kona61]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

A properly designed and installed bolt-in roll bar is fine. Here is a perfect example of one, with a car that doesn't even have a roof. This is the same 4-pt bar I used on my track rat Miata.

No I don’t mean a bolt in bar, I mean the people who bolt them to the floor of the car. With the shoulder straps going down to the level of the seat rails.

[BuddahLV]

Originally Posted by Frost

If you do this, please get a helmet WITH a HANS device!

yes of course, full HANS, fire suit, etc.


I would do that no matter what - but I would have to as its required at all the tracks I run.

[BuddahLV]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Please don't do a harness and fixed back seat without at least a properly designed and installed 4 point roll bar.

Bolt-in is fine assuming it's designed and built well, ties into the correct spots in the chassis and the backing plates are in double shear.

I appreciate everyone's concern, but I have been tracking cars for years. My safety equipment is only top-rated/certified and installed by the best race shop in town.


I am not risking my life for my hobby.


thanks for looking out though

[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by BuddahLV

I appreciate everyone's concern, but I have been tracking cars for years. My safety equipment is only top-rated/certified and installed by the best race shop in town.

But you did say "harness bar".
Or did you mean "roll bar / half cage with a harness bar"?

[BuddahLV]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

But you did say "harness bar".
Or did you mean "roll bar / half cage with a harness bar"?

yeah, in my head "harness bar" = roll bar (not a full cage)

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by BuddahLV

yeah, in my head "harness bar" = roll bar (not a full cage)

Hence our confusion, because a harness bar is the little cheap bar you that typically ties into the bolts of the seatbelts. And provides no roll over protection, it is literally just a bar behind the back seats to attach the shoulder straps to.

This is a harness bar.

https://shop.redline360.com/products...RoCS6IQAvD_BwE

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Frost

Thanks for sharing. I get particularly triggered when people argue they don't need a roll bar because they don't go to the high speed tracks. You can still easily roll a car at 30mph if you go off into soft dirt like the way you did. Glad to know you got out ok.

Thankfully that wasn't me. The only wreck I've had on track is on two wheels, that one was fairly painful, I was unconscious so long they stopped the session.

I just wanted to share that video as one of many example, that even in convertibles, a well designed/installed roll bar will offer roll over protection.

Then you have poor ones, installed by shady shops, where the plates aren't in double-shear, etc. If you look in one in the pictures you can actually see where the main hoop punched through the floorpan.

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...l-ar80908.html

[Frost]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

Thankfully that wasn't me. The only wreck I've had on track is on two wheels, that one was fairly painful, I was unconscious so long they stopped the session.

I just wanted to share that video as one of many example, that even in convertibles, a well designed/installed roll bar will offer roll over protection.

Then you have poor ones, installed by shady shops, where the plates aren't in double-shear, etc. If you look in one in the pictures you can actually see where the main hoop punched through the floorpan.

https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-ne...l-ar80908.html

Yeah that example of a shitty roll bar install is legendary. We use it in our safety schpiel in our schools at OTA. We actually go one step further and ask what roll bar you have installed and have guidelines on how it should be built if not an-off-the-shelf unit.

Proper roll bars/hoops and cages are SO important and yet you get people who magically do it all for 40-50% less money? Run for the hills.

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by Frost

Yeah that example of a shitty roll bar install is legendary. We use it in our safety schpiel in our schools at OTA. We actually go one step further and ask what roll bar you have installed and have guidelines on how it should be built if not an-off-the-shelf unit.

Proper roll bars/hoops and cages are SO important and yet you get people who magically do it all for 40-50% less money? Run for the hills.

Any recommendations for a roll bar in Southern ON?

[Frost]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

Any recommendations for a roll bar in Southern ON?

Unfortunately, I don't know any off the shelf roll bar suppliers here in Ontario.

There are quite a few shops who can fabricate them for you though but you need to supply them the specifications and/or design. These are usually dictated by SCCA or CASC in Canada.