Bolt-on HP estimates?

[SockMonkey]

Originally Posted by Pete

I am interested to see what the FI possibilities are on the new engine with more displacement but a higher compression rate.

Back when I modded my FRS in 2013 the Edelbrock kit wasn't out, that piece looks the business. I was just looking at some dyno charts for it. If I do decide to go with forced induction again, at first I was thinking about going the turbo route this time since I have more experience with turbo cars now than I did back then. But now....I would want to see what Edelbrock does with their kit first because that is a very nice, clean part that IMHO looks good in the engine bay.

It will probably be a good long wait before the tuners get really comfortable with the new engine though. I'm just speculating/rambling.

Yeah, the Edelbrock kit almost looks stock, such a clean kit. I also like the idea of supercharger over a turbo because it retains the spirit of the car, essentially having the same power and torque feel as an NA car, just larger displacement.

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by Pete

I am interested to see what the FI possibilities are on the new engine with more displacement but a higher compression rate.

Back when I modded my FRS in 2013 the Edelbrock kit wasn't out, that piece looks the business. I was just looking at some dyno charts for it. If I do decide to go with forced induction again, at first I was thinking about going the turbo route this time since I have more experience with turbo cars now than I did back then. But now....I would want to see what Edelbrock does with their kit first because that is a very nice, clean part that IMHO looks good in the engine bay.

It will probably be a good long wait before the tuners get really comfortable with the new engine though. I'm just speculating/rambling.

Keep its NA. e85 +tune and header is all this car needs. Really gonna put the old car to shame.... hum 2 years till my next smog and it might be time for an upgrade if some of the mods carry over like brakes, suspension and wheels and tires

[Blighty]

Originally Posted by Pete

I am interested to see what the FI possibilities are on the new engine with more displacement but a higher compression rate.

Back when I modded my FRS in 2013 the Edelbrock kit wasn't out, that piece looks the business. I was just looking at some dyno charts for it. If I do decide to go with forced induction again, at first I was thinking about going the turbo route this time since I have more experience with turbo cars now than I did back then. But now....I would want to see what Edelbrock does with their kit first because that is a very nice, clean part that IMHO looks good in the engine bay.

It will probably be a good long wait before the tuners get really comfortable with the new engine though. I'm just speculating/rambling.

I think it will be a lot faster to get to reliable tunes and hardware this time around.

[timurrrr]

Another question is "why?".
The reason everyone wanted bolt on power upgrades for the first gen is that it needed more power. FA24 from the factory has more power than most NA FA20s ever made. Is it just modding for the sake of modding?

It's quite possible that a lot more people will keep the engine stock this time.

[Pat]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

Another question is "why?"

Because modding. Remember, too much power is almost enough.

[Stonehorsw]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

Another question is "why?".
The reason everyone wanted bolt on power upgrades for the first gen is that it needed more power. FA24 from the factory has more power than most NA FA20s ever made. Is it just modding for the sake of modding?

It's quite possible that a lot more people will keep the engine stock this time.

Every single car lacks 50hp, even the modified one.

[Lantanafrs2]

Figure 210-215 whp with whatever bolt ons and gas tune and maybe 225 or so on corn. That's provided that it shows around 200 whp stock.

[Lantanafrs2]

One thing we all should know by now is to keep our money in our pockets initially and let the cream rise to the top in terms of aftermarket parts. Lots of money wasted on the first gen by owners being overzealous and purchasing absolute garbage.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

Another question is "why?".
The reason everyone wanted bolt on power upgrades for the first gen is that it needed more power. FA24 from the factory has more power than most NA FA20s ever made. Is it just modding for the sake of modding?

It's quite possible that a lot more people will keep the engine stock this time.

Why not? It's not the chassis couldn't handle another 25-30 whp from corn/header/tune.

[timurrrr]

Just because something can be done, doesn't mean it
should be, or that most people will do it.

Sure, more power is always nice, but if there's less power deficit,
there will be fewer who invest thousands of dollars into adding power.

I'm not saying nobody is going to mod the powertrain

[Ernest72]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

Just because something can be done, doesn't mean it
should be, or that most people will do it.

Sure, more power is always nice, but if there's less power deficit,
there will be fewer who invest thousands of dollars into adding power.

I'm not saying nobody is going to mod the powertrain

It is simply a disease. I have and will modify every car I own, cannot be helped. Rather have the power and not use it then to not have it. But my limit is reasonable reliability. For example, my 04 WRX is stage 2 etune, stock turbo, still fast but reliable. I could go big turbo, but that would lead to a blown EJ for sure. My BRZ is header and stage 2 tune, likely very reliable, would love a SC but worried about reliability. Need this BRZ for my 119 mile round trip commute 3 days a week.

[NARFALICIOUS]

Originally Posted by timurrrr

Another question is "why?".
The reason everyone wanted bolt on power upgrades for the first gen is that it needed more power. FA24 from the factory has more power than most NA FA20s ever made. Is it just modding for the sake of modding?

It's quite possible that a lot more people will keep the engine stock this time.

Sure, maybe someone who modded their 1st gen, might think the 2nd gen is enough and either doesn't care to, or may be busy with other parts of life now to do it.
But I think the larger engine will also attract (or retain) buyers that thought the last platform was too slow to get into, and thus lure them into modding. Basically, I don't think the number of power-modded owners goes down, just shifted slightly.

It's still going to be slower than a lot of other cars and a header/tune wouldn't hurt a soul would it?

Originally Posted by Ernest72

It is simply a disease. I have and will modify every car I own, cannot be helped. .

Yep, no cure for this one!

[alphasaur]

Looks like HKS already has a supercharger ready to go

[Kiske]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Figure 210-215 whp with whatever bolt ons and gas tune and maybe 225 or so on corn. That's provided that it shows around 200 whp stock.

FWIW Monster Sport got 240hp(@6800rpms)/189tq(@5800rpms) out of their fully turned 2.4l build. That was with a catless header and a full head job (port/polish, valve job with stock cams.) Adding more aggressive cams (which weren't available at the time of the build such as the HKS or Piper ones should push the power band a bit more to the top end. Keep in mind that Japan also runs a higher octane fuel (98-100) for their premium unleaded gas than most of the west readily offers.

Originally Posted by alphasaur

Looks like HKS already has a supercharger ready to go

I wouldn't be surprised if a little tweak to the headers, and front cover's mounting bracked was the only change they had to make for their existing products to work.