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07-07-2021, 06:50 PM | #57 |
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The trans has a few internal pieces that got beefed up (I think synchros, etc) but it's mostly the same. I actually forgot to ask about the TOB (I upgraded mine a long time ago and it's no longer on my mind).
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Yeah, I admittedly haven't been here much in the past few years since my car has hit a "done" state for a few years, but been a forum member since 2013!
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But yeah, if that's the case the actual crank hp (assuming similar mechanical loss in this car as a gen 1) would be another 10-15 or so higher than the 228 OR they didn't want to admit that the peak hp is more like 189 when I said it felt like more than that, hahaha. |
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This is why Toyota paid a TON of money to fly me and 84 other journalists to come play in their house for a whole week I guess. The cash they blew feeding me for a week and putting new tires on the LC, supras, etc I ruined just me alone, let alone a whole mess of us - makes me nauseous, but is still way cheaper than a 30 second TV ad I think.
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Interesting!
Do you remember what exactly they said about the upgraded pads? Other than pads, the brakes are exactly the same as base '13-'20 brakes? Did they say anything about Brembos in a year? Pretty please? |
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They just said the braking system was the same in both new trim levels, and there were upgraded pads (not sure if standard on premium trim or just an available accessory like the TRD pads before). So TL,DR I don't know. My gut tells me it's the same setup as current non-brembo cars and the upgraded pads are akin to the current TRD ones. And they have not mentioned brembo package - but they did mention that there's "good stuff coming". I amused myself fishing for reactions - Like I would ask a question and just watch their faces as they responded. Sometimes you could tell they weren't allowed to confirm/deny stuff you asked but their face would give away that they were keeping something quiet. Like I noticed that the trunk had a seam across it - so basically the top rear (lip area) is technically a different part than the rest of the trunk. I just said, well, this means you can offer various lip/spoiler/wing options and they can be interchangeable without leaving holes if somebody removes or swaps... The guy looks at me holding back a shit-eating grin and just says "that's um.... very possible." and smirks a bit. |
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If I do end up getting one, I'll likely do the same basic mods I did when I had my '15 BRZ. Cat-back, coilovers, wheels/tires, E85 tune. |
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Yes, they will absolutely not be different. Subaru claimed it to be 13.5:1 on their ads upon release. But Toyota made an official claim of 12.5:1 on their release. I would very highly bet against 13.5:1.
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Modern ECU controls and DI have allowed dramatically increased compression and efficiency. |
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You can if you want: https://www.epa.gov/regulations-emis...greenhouse-gas Increasing compression is one way to gain back lost power, because of increased efficiency, from tighter emissions regs. The downside is higher NOx emissions because of hotter combustion temps. |
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Not at all saying it can't be done, as it probably somewhat easily could have been done. What I am saying, is that the twins are the same vehicle (and for both, the engine is made by Subaru) - they are not going to differentiate them with a different compression ratio. Now if it is a question of whether 12.5:1 or 13.5:1 is the correct CR, I simply believe 12.5:1 is far more likely. There are already enough twins with problems blowing up on the road, though majority are reliable. This is a sports car with a fairly good redline, 13.5:1 would bring more complications to keeping it reliable. It is much simpler for them to give us a 2.4L and up the power in a more reliable manner than to also tune the engine way up to extend the peak. Also, if you look at some calculators, a CR of 13.5 with a redline like ours should easily bring up power in the 250HP range. 228/231 is a good bit lower than the current gen even, which has a higher HP/L ratio. EDIT: Also, here are Subaru Japanese specifications: 12.5:1 CR https://www.media.subaru-global.com/ja/news/3083 Last edited by Dzmitry; 07-13-2021 at 08:25 AM. |
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Thanks for the link. I guess their initial release was just a typo. |
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