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Breezio · 06-23-2021, 12:17 AM

I've been told that SCCA 'rules' say they do not class a new car in Street Touring for 1 or 2 years (forget which) after it's available. 2022 is 'guaranteed' to not have the new BRZ/GR86 allowed in any ST class. I'm not certain about 2023 season.

steverife · 06-23-2021, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Breezio

I've been told that SCCA 'rules' say they do not class a new car in Street Touring for 1 or 2 years (forget which) after it's available. 2022 is 'guaranteed' to not have the new BRZ/GR86 allowed in any ST class. I'm not certain about 2023 season.

That doesn't sound very accurate. The STAC waited to 2020 to class the 2019+ ND2 in STR.

...but that is honestly the first time that I can remember that happening. The FRS/BRZ were classed in STX for the 2013 season. The ND1 was classed in STR for 2016.

Autoxer62 · 06-23-2021, 12:15 PM

Has anyone seen a definitive spec on what the rear end ratio is for the second gen cars? It's certainly possible the newer cars will get a taller final drive and that will negate at least some of the power advantage. If the rest of the chassis is basically the same then it will come down to prep and driver.

Breezio · 06-23-2021, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by steverife

That doesn't sound very accurate. The STAC waited to 2020 to class the 2019+ ND2 in STR.

...but that is honestly the first time that I can remember that happening. The FRS/BRZ were classed in STX for the 2013 season. The ND1 was classed in STR for 2016.

Good points. And the official rules state that classification can happen at anytime.

Guess we'll see.

Goingnowherefast · 06-24-2021, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Autoxer62

Has anyone seen a definitive spec on what the rear end ratio is for the second gen cars?

I've been looking for it for a while, but haven't been able to find an official answer. We'll have to wait for more information/videos showing redline (and what speed it is) and then do the math ourselves.

I wouldn't be surprised if they class the new car higher. It's a pretty good power/torque bump.

racingfool · 06-25-2021, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Goingnowherefast

I wouldn't be surprised if they class the new car higher. It's a pretty good power/torque bump.

Wonder how would it stack up in STR?

RT-BRZ · 06-25-2021, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by racingfool

Wonder how would it stack up in STR?

I was going to post that I thought they should. The extra power should make it more competitive against the ND Miatas and they are in STR. It would be pretty silly for them to make it STX unless they are going to move the first gen cars into something STS because it's most likely that they won't be on par with each other.

Breezio · 06-25-2021, 08:42 AM

It's no different then when the ND2 miata came out, and they put them all in the same classes as the ND1.

New car doesn't have a turbo or a major redesign. If I were a betting man, I'd put a lot of money on the second gen twins getting put into all the same classes as the first gens.

Goingnowherefast · 06-25-2021, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Breezio

It's no different then when the ND2 miata came out, and they put them all in the same classes as the ND1.

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Originally Posted by racingfool

Wonder how would it stack up in STR?

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Originally Posted by RT-BRZ

I was going to post that I thought they should. The extra power should make it more competitive against the ND Miatas and they are in STR. It would be pretty silly for them to make it STX unless they are going to move the first gen cars into something STS because it's most likely that they won't be on par with each other.

On paper, I think they will be really close (probably an edge to the 86) to the ND2's. I can see them playing conservative with them as well and placing them in STX for one year. If they do that, I think they will utterly dominate the class for one year at least.

On the road racing/time trials side, I think it's a safe bet they'll stay in the same tuner class since we already compete with S2000 CR's and ND2 Miatas. They will absolutely have to be moved out of their sport class (S6) because it's already LOL that they're in there. 86's dominate that class by miles.

steverife · 06-28-2021, 09:39 AM

I can't really see it going to STR. I don't think it could touch the ND2's and it doesn't make sense philosophically to be there.

I think the best thing that people committed to the old cars can hope for is an extra year or so to be classed, like what happened with the ND2.

renfield90 · 06-29-2021, 01:14 AM

Anyone going to Nats this year and have an open seat for a codriver?

I'm asking on behalf of a friend from Hawaii, obviously too far for him to bring a car. He's driven with me a few times now, he's an amazing teammate and very easy on the hardware. I'd love to have him drive with me again, but with Kate moving to open this year we don't have a seat for him.

Although he's pretty comfortable with the twins platform, it doesn't have to be an STX seat. He'll drive anything, if you have any leads let me know and I can put him in touch. Thanks!

racingfool · 06-29-2021, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by steverife

I can't really see it going to STR. I don't think it could touch the ND2's

Hard to make up for 4-500 lbs.

this could make a difference

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184 lb.-ft. of peak torque, which it now hits at 3,700 rpm, the previous generation hit max torque at 6,600 rpm

https://pressroom.toyota.com/drivers...all-new-gr-86/

Locust · 06-29-2021, 10:12 PM

Not sure where some of you are getting your info but it really boils down to there being no requirement that a car be classed at the ST level. The first year the car comes out it almost certainly won't be in any ST class. After one or two seasons they will probably look at it's performance / popularity vs. the performance / popularity of the other ST classes and then a decision will be made. There's no guarantee it ends up in STX because it would upset the entire class as it stands right now. But there is also some upward pressure into ST classes because of a lot of the new cars coming out that people will inevitably want to own/drive (The Z, various Supra trims, various BMWs, the 2nd gen twins, etc).

What I would encourage a lot of you to do if you want the next gen in STX is buy one and drive it locally in time only or in an empty indexed class (as your region allows) to get some good data on paper of what they're capable of. Then gather up your data and write letters to the STAC requesting classing. That's what I intend to do and the more of us that do it the more quickly the car will get a class.

e1_griego · 06-29-2021, 10:18 PM

lol just buy a $30k car so I can write a letter.

That's nonsense.

I talked to a STAC member a few months ago about it, so that's where my info came from.

Either way, I'm not buying one unless I have to. Not many classes left that run 245/40s and where I also fit.

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Autoxer62 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Drives: 2020 Hakone Location: Fairfax, VA Posts: 153 Thanks: 47 Thanked 72 Times in 53 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	Has anyone seen a definitive spec on what the rear end ratio is for the second gen cars? It's certainly possible the newer cars will get a taller final drive and that will negate at least some of the power advantage. If the rest of the chassis is basically the same then it will come down to prep and driver. __________________ -- Bryan Blackwell -- 2020 Hakone 86 -- KW V2 6k&9k/Karcepts Sway Bars/SPC&Diftech RCLA/SuperPro bshngs/17x9 RPF1/255-40-17 RT660/Hawk5.0 Pads/RacerX MC Brace

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Locust Custom User Title Join Date: Oct 2014 Drives: 2015 Scion FR-S, 2012 OB Evo X MR Location: Seattle Posts: 807 Thanks: 13 Thanked 424 Times in 272 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s)	Not sure where some of you are getting your info but it really boils down to there being no requirement that a car be classed at the ST level. The first year the car comes out it almost certainly won't be in any ST class. After one or two seasons they will probably look at it's performance / popularity vs. the performance / popularity of the other ST classes and then a decision will be made. There's no guarantee it ends up in STX because it would upset the entire class as it stands right now. But there is also some upward pressure into ST classes because of a lot of the new cars coming out that people will inevitably want to own/drive (The Z, various Supra trims, various BMWs, the 2nd gen twins, etc). What I would encourage a lot of you to do if you want the next gen in STX is buy one and drive it locally in time only or in an empty indexed class (as your region allows) to get some good data on paper of what they're capable of. Then gather up your data and write letters to the STAC requesting classing. That's what I intend to do and the more of us that do it the more quickly the car will get a class. __________________ LOCUST 2015 FR-S (STX) and 2012 Evo X MR Instagram: LocustAutoX Sponsors:DSGPerformance Drift Office Evil Apex Racing

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06-23-2021, 12:17 AM	#239
Breezio Senior Member Join Date: May 2020 Drives: 2017 BRZ series.yellow Location: Idaho Posts: 253 Thanks: 132 Thanked 189 Times in 109 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	I've been told that SCCA 'rules' say they do not class a new car in Street Touring for 1 or 2 years (forget which) after it's available. 2022 is 'guaranteed' to not have the new BRZ/GR86 allowed in any ST class. I'm not certain about 2023 season.

06-25-2021, 08:42 AM	#246
Breezio Senior Member Join Date: May 2020 Drives: 2017 BRZ series.yellow Location: Idaho Posts: 253 Thanks: 132 Thanked 189 Times in 109 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s)	It's no different then when the ND2 miata came out, and they put them all in the same classes as the ND1. New car doesn't have a turbo or a major redesign. If I were a betting man, I'd put a lot of money on the second gen twins getting put into all the same classes as the first gens.

06-28-2021, 09:39 AM	#248
steverife Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Drives: 2016 Scion FRS Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 478 Thanks: 62 Thanked 291 Times in 192 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s)	I can't really see it going to STR. I don't think it could touch the ND2's and it doesn't make sense philosophically to be there. I think the best thing that people committed to the old cars can hope for is an extra year or so to be classed, like what happened with the ND2.

06-29-2021, 01:14 AM	#249
renfield90 The Stig's German cousin Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 2013 FR-S Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 1,071 Thanks: 140 Thanked 519 Times in 345 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s)	Anyone going to Nats this year and have an open seat for a codriver? I'm asking on behalf of a friend from Hawaii, obviously too far for him to bring a car. He's driven with me a few times now, he's an amazing teammate and very easy on the hardware. I'd love to have him drive with me again, but with Kate moving to open this year we don't have a seat for him. Although he's pretty comfortable with the twins platform, it doesn't have to be an STX seat. He'll drive anything, if you have any leads let me know and I can put him in touch. Thanks!

06-29-2021, 10:18 PM	#252
e1_griego Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Drives: Many Location: Independence, Ore. Posts: 721 Thanks: 231 Thanked 409 Times in 246 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s)	lol just buy a $30k car so I can write a letter. That's nonsense. I talked to a STAC member a few months ago about it, so that's where my info came from. Either way, I'm not buying one unless I have to. Not many classes left that run 245/40s and where I also fit.

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