TOYOTA GAZOO Racing Presents World Debut of the New JDM GR 86 (Second Gen 86)!

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The issue I have with this is that now that a double wishbone GT3 exists you'll hear critics saying things about the prior generations they never mentioned before. Its like folks are scared to speak their mind about a GT Porsche until a new model shows up.

That practice is fairly endemic to the reviewing business regardless of car make/model. It's almost certain that the initial reviews of the upcoming twins will cite deficiencies in the previous generation that the new one corrects, weaknesses the authors had apparently never discovered in the past seven + years, had downplayed at the time, or were now exaggerating to make the new cars look that much better.

Most reviewers are afraid to bite the hand that feeds them, with a few notable exceptions like Savagegeese, and individual critiques like Toni Scott's recent takedown of the Supra over at TheDrive.com.

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[Dzmitry]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

I can't imagine the weight penalty would be significant - even the 2400 lb "gram strategy" ND MX-5 has front double wishbones.

I am certainly not arguing that it will be anything hefty, because we are talking about several pounds really. I was simply mentioning the downsides to that style suspension. I think the biggest of course still goes back to the engine being too wide and the room this suspension style takes up.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by beltax90

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Are the second gens wider than the first?
Can't tell with those shots since they're at different angles.

The front end design of the first gen gives it a more wider look, and it looks much more aggressive, in a weird angry ninja turtle way.

[Ash_89]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Are the second gens wider than the first?
Can't tell with those shots since they're at different angles.

The front end design of the first gen gives it a more wider look, and it looks much more aggressive, in a weird angry ninja turtle way.

Last gen = Angry and toothless

Next gen = Poker face and more pedestrian friendly

[Sport-Tech]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Are the second gens wider than the first?
Can't tell with those shots since they're at different angles.

The front end design of the first gen gives it a more wider look, and it looks much more aggressive, in a weird angry ninja turtle way.

The differences you are seeing are most likely an artifact of the different lens focal lengths (wide angle / zoom) used for the two shots. The dimensions hardly differ IIRC, but those photos make the greenhouse of the new car seem about 30% smaller which is nonsensical.

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by Dake

Ha! It's an homage to 80's era Toyota red.

I’m not sure if that’s a good thing but that surely looks kind like the red on some Supra.

I think the MR2 red was a lot deeper


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[timurrrr]

Originally Posted by Transport3r

Motor trend article I found at my doctor’s office:

Looks like the article is based primarily on the same presentation with Scott Speed that was already documented by many YouTube channels a few months ago. I don't see anything new there, other than the fact that this information is now available in print, rather than online.

Understeer basically doesn't happen
Or perhaps Jonny was never in a passenger seat next to an F1-level driver who knows how to trail brake properly? :P

[daiheadjai]

Not sure if it's been covered, but can anyone confirm if the sliding seats now have a ratcheting setup?
I hated how the seats in the 1G cars would just slam back into you (usually in the tenders right between the waist and the ribs) if you leaned in to load/unload stuff from the rear seat.
Nothing crazy, but a minor tweak that would make living with the car so much easier...

[HKz]

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

Not sure if it's been covered, but can anyone confirm if the sliding seats now have a ratcheting setup?
I hated how the seats in the 1G cars would just slam back into you (usually in the tenders right between the waist and the ribs) if you leaned in to load/unload stuff from the rear seat.
Nothing crazy, but a minor tweak that would make living with the car so much easier...

i read that it was either getting better sliding seats or getting a larger displacement engine since development costs to improve both was too much

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by HKz

i read that it was either getting better sliding seats or getting a larger displacement engine since development costs to improve both was too much

[Dake]

Originally Posted by chaoskaze

I’m not sure if that’s a good thing but that surely looks kind like the red on some Supra.

I think the MR2 red was a lot deeper


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I meant more that it just came pre-faded.