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Draco-REX · 07-24-2012, 07:07 PM

60K for the plugs, I'm pretty sure. I remember thinking it was rather quick for Iridium plugs. They are usually good for 90K-100K.

I've had a Subaru mechanic look at the clearance. He says it no tighter than the rear plugs on Subaru's 6cyl boxer motors which can be done with the engine in-place.

I haven't had the skid plate off yet, but if the engine mounts are anything like the usal Subaru ones, lifting the engine would be a piece of cake. You don't have axles or even the dog-bone to deal with. Again, I haven't confirmed this, but lifting the engine may be as simple as undoing two nuts and using a floor jack under the oil pan. If so, it could actually be faster to do it that way than to swap the plugs with the engine in the car.

Lonewolf · 07-24-2012, 07:12 PM

The Scion service manager is either too stupid to look it up because he's used to spark plug changes every 30K for crap like the xa and xb, or he's just trying to get you to buy premature service to make an extra buck...

finch1750 · 07-24-2012, 07:13 PM

All Subarus basically say you have to pull the engine, but in reality it isn't the case. This was discussed at length in another thread where a ton of previous Subaru owners basically agrees it should be easy enough with a flex head ratchet, long sockets, and swivel adapter maybe. My STi didn't need to and the manual said it was required as well. Just takes removing the air box and washer tank on that, I'm sure this car should be similar.

Kimsey47 · 07-24-2012, 07:14 PM

I knew I should have got a Prius!!!!

I kiiidd I kiiidd! I'm going to say that I'll be following the service manual 60k unless something is absolutely wrong. I doubt they made this such a super difficult task to do. I wouldn't fret it!

pyro530 · 07-24-2012, 07:15 PM

Yeah, this was actually one of the first things I looked at when the service manual started floating around here. You actually have to take quite a few things off.
A mechanic buddy of mine says he call pull a Subaru boxer in just over an hour, so I'm not super worried about it.
I think your wrong on the mileage though, it should be a bit higher.

ahausheer · 07-24-2012, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by finch1750

All Subarus basically say you have to pull the engine, but in reality it isn't the case. This was discussed at length in another thread where a ton of previous Subaru owners basically agrees it should be easy enough with a flex head ratchet, long sockets, and swivel adapter maybe. My STi didn't need to and the manual said it was required as well. Just takes removing the air box and washer tank on that, I'm sure this car should be similar.

Don't forget the requisite cursing, its an important tool.

driver01 · 07-24-2012, 08:15 PM

This is according to the manual
however, techs are pretty resourceful. Most likely people will find shortcuts to do this faster and easier

Bonburner · 07-24-2012, 10:13 PM

I call BS on that -_-

Blue86 · 07-24-2012, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bakerr6

Gives me a good reason to check/replace anything that looks worn. The other benefit is, that you could remove the engine to do some upgrades at the same time.

I bet scion made the engine either easy to lift/remove from the engine bay to facilitate this normal maintnence.

The bonnet can angle straight up to allow easy engine removal

jarviz · 07-25-2012, 04:06 PM

Isn't 60K still kind of early for a spark plug change? I have 110K on my '04 corolla and still haven't changed the plug yet

Tainen · 07-25-2012, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draco-REX

60K for the plugs, I'm pretty sure. I remember thinking it was rather quick for Iridium plugs. They are usually good for 90K-100K.

I've had a Subaru mechanic look at the clearance. He says it no tighter than the rear plugs on Subaru's 6cyl boxer motors which can be done with the engine in-place.

I haven't had the skid plate off yet, but if the engine mounts are anything like the usal Subaru ones, lifting the engine would be a piece of cake. You don't have axles or even the dog-bone to deal with. Again, I haven't confirmed this, but lifting the engine may be as simple as undoing two nuts and using a floor jack under the oil pan. If so, it could actually be faster to do it that way than to swap the plugs with the engine in the car.

When we did the header, it was that simple. Actually, they just loosened the bolts and pushed up on the engine. lol. done.

industrial · 07-27-2012, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ahausheer

Don't forget the requisite cursing, its an important tool.

In the aviation industry, we call this "highly technical talk". It is essential to getting the job done.

xwd · 07-27-2012, 01:19 PM

Yeah I'm not sure why people are screaming about lifting the engine up, it takes about 5 minutes. The hardest part is getting the protective cover crap off the bottom.

I'm hoping my usual contraption of swivel joints and extensions I use on the FXT works well for the BRZ spark plugs, but at the rate I'm driving the car (1100 miles in 6 weeks) I won't have to worry about it for a long time!

reeves · 07-27-2012, 01:30 PM

Here's hoping someone'll have made a DIY for this by the time I get an FR-S.. sounds simple enough from what everyone is saying, but I'd feel much better attempting this with photos & instructions.

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pyro530 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Drives: Ultramarine FR-S 6MT Location: Chico, CA Posts: 303 Thanks: 175 Thanked 102 Times in 46 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s)	Yeah, this was actually one of the first things I looked at when the service manual started floating around here. You actually have to take quite a few things off. A mechanic buddy of mine says he call pull a Subaru boxer in just over an hour, so I'm not super worried about it. I think your wrong on the mileage though, it should be a bit higher. __________________ Current: FR-S Ultramarine 6MT - Took delivery 05/30/2012 - Now for sale here 1995 M3 Coupe MT - the "Bavarian Bumblebee" Past: 1994 Integra - Sold \| 2005 Dodge SRT-4 - Totaled by Hail \| 1997 Acura 2.2 CL slowmobile - Sold \| 1991 BMW E30 - Sold \| 1991 Acura Integra GS - Wrecked \| 1971 Chevy C-10 shortbed stepside - Sold \| 1973 Camaro Z-28 Clone - Stolen

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Draco-REX Corner Junkie Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 13 BRZ, 11 STI, 99 RS Location: Ohio Posts: 2,908 Thanks: 129 Thanked 1,521 Times in 702 Posts Mentioned: 11 Post(s)	60K for the plugs, I'm pretty sure. I remember thinking it was rather quick for Iridium plugs. They are usually good for 90K-100K. I've had a Subaru mechanic look at the clearance. He says it no tighter than the rear plugs on Subaru's 6cyl boxer motors which can be done with the engine in-place. I haven't had the skid plate off yet, but if the engine mounts are anything like the usal Subaru ones, lifting the engine would be a piece of cake. You don't have axles or even the dog-bone to deal with. Again, I haven't confirmed this, but lifting the engine may be as simple as undoing two nuts and using a floor jack under the oil pan. If so, it could actually be faster to do it that way than to swap the plugs with the engine in the car.

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Lonewolf Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: Moped Location: CA Posts: 4,300 Thanks: 4,905 Thanked 2,132 Times in 1,195 Posts Mentioned: 21 Post(s)	The Scion service manager is either too stupid to look it up because he's used to spark plug changes every 30K for crap like the xa and xb, or he's just trying to get you to buy premature service to make an extra buck...

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jarviz Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: Raven FRS MT Location: Queens, NY Posts: 965 Thanks: 76 Thanked 249 Times in 125 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s)	Isn't 60K still kind of early for a spark plug change? I have 110K on my '04 corolla and still haven't changed the plug yet

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xwd Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 2013 DGM Subaru BRZ (Subie #9) Location: ATL, US Posts: 2,667 Thanks: 123 Thanked 861 Times in 552 Posts Mentioned: 32 Post(s)	Yeah I'm not sure why people are screaming about lifting the engine up, it takes about 5 minutes. The hardest part is getting the protective cover crap off the bottom. I'm hoping my usual contraption of swivel joints and extensions I use on the FXT works well for the BRZ spark plugs, but at the rate I'm driving the car (1100 miles in 6 weeks) I won't have to worry about it for a long time!

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reeves Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: BRZ Location: ATL, GA Posts: 1,020 Thanks: 289 Thanked 397 Times in 265 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s)	Here's hoping someone'll have made a DIY for this by the time I get an FR-S.. sounds simple enough from what everyone is saying, but I'd feel much better attempting this with photos & instructions.

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