Toyota GR Yaris

[strat61caster]

@why? All this moron was saying is that bringing the Yaris to the US is a helluva lot more work than driving a couple of them onto a boat because, as you meandered through it's design history to reach the same conclusion, as far as the US gov is concerned it's a whole new car that will need to pass a full battery of crash safety and emissions tests.

[Guru Woodman]

Please sign !

I need this to replace my BRZ.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by why?

You weren't paying attention. The Yaris was never a POS in quality. It has always been one of the least expensive cars to own, and almost nothing ever goes wrong. The early versions might not have had the best interior, but that was literally the point. The first gen Yaris could be had for $9,999. Mine was $13,200 out the door in May of 2006, and I never had any issues at all, even with all the mods I made. It was a perfect car for the 13 years I owned it. With a cheap aftermarket suspension, the Yaris is a fun car to drive. There is a Yaris spec racing series in Japan that has been very popular since the Yaris came out, and the Yaris has done well in SCCA competition. It was basically a front wheel drive Miata.

Least expensive = POS in quality is my point. There is a reason why that car is so light for its size. I understand it was more reliable than your dad’s Cadillac (made up example), except that Cadillac has five times the number of parts.

“With a cheap aftermarket suspension, the Yaris is fun to drive.” See, we obviously have a difference about what is fun. I can have fun in anything, but I wouldn’t describe a car as fun with a 0-60 of 10 seconds, with hard and uncomfortable plastic for resting my arms, that has cheap and uncomfortable seats, and that is loud and feels like a wobbly tin can on road.

People race everything; there is tractor and toilet racing. A cheap car makes it easy to create a series more than an expensive car.

[JD001]

Saito's team drew inspiration from 4WD Focus RS, the Impreza and had an Audi S1 shipped over to Japan...

What's not to love about that??

[HaXx]

whats the official weight of this thing? someone said, 2800lb, someone else said 2400lb. if its an awd hot hatch 260hp 2400lb im moving to japan

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by HaXx

whats the official weight of this thing?

I don't know if there's an "official" weight but 1280kg is the number being thrown about.

[ROFL it's Waffle]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

@why? All this moron was saying is that bringing the Yaris to the US is a helluva lot more work than driving a couple of them onto a boat because, as you meandered through it's design history to reach the same conclusion, as far as the US gov is concerned it's a whole new car that will need to pass a full battery of crash safety and emissions tests.

what a moron

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by HaXx

whats the official weight of this thing? someone said, 2800lb, someone else said 2400lb. if its an awd hot hatch 260hp 2400lb im moving to japan

That would be magic. The ND Miata weighs about 2400lbs, and it doesn't have AWD or a turbocharger system, and it also has a 91'' wheelbase and not the 100'' wheelbase of the GR Yaris. The GR Yaris is closer to the 86 in dimensions with a stubbier front and rear bumper. It saves weight over the 86 with the engine, new chassis, and potentially with the quality in some areas, but it makes that up with the weight of the turbocharger, AWD system and the increase in height/volume.

Miata dimensions:

Wheelbase: 91''
Length: 154''
Width: 68''
Height: 48''

86 dimensions:

Wheelbase: 100''
Length: 167''
Width: 70''
Height: 51''

GR Yaris dimensions:

Wheelbase: 100''
Length: 157''
Width: 71''
Height: 58''

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On a separate note, this article has some excellent pictures of the Jp/Euro Hybrid Yaris:

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/10/20...re-philosophy/

[WolfpackS2k]

2800 lb / 1280 kg has been widely circulated as the weight. Seems realistic.

2600 lb does not.

[DarkPira7e]

Has anyone been able to confirm if you can see the brake pads without taking the wheels off? That's really affecting my willingness to accept this car as something I could feasibly import in 25 years.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e

Has anyone been able to confirm if you can see the brake pads without taking the wheels off? That's really affecting my willingness to accept this car as something I could feasibly import in 25 years.

Wow, you are a planner, and apparently, incredibly picky.

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[Jordanwolf]

Here's the solution to 2nd gen 86 sitting right here.

Drop Subaru, who needs them. It's not like they're going to come out with anything worth while anyway. WRX 2021, bring your dog edition.

Modify this Yaris platform, delete the AWD and make it RWD with two engine trims (NA/FI). Boom, I am genius, gib me money now.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

Here's the solution to 2nd gen 86 sitting right here.

Drop Subaru, who needs them. It's not like they're going to come out with anything worth while anyway. WRX 2021, bring your dog edition.

Modify this Yaris platform, delete the AWD and make it RWD with two engine trims (NA/FI). Boom, I am genius, gib me money now.

This has been said already.

The problem is that Subaru is already signed up to partner for the next 86, and I am sure they will still be the one building the MKII. The GR Yaris will likely be built on the same line as the standard (Jap) Yaris, but the 86 will need its own production line, which is where Subaru comes in. The car will also need an engine. I don't think the 100hp NA motor will cut it, nor may the turbo motor if it couldn't be easily adapted to be longitudinal. In fact, I was trying to see if this TNGA is even compatible with an 86. The dimensions seem similar enough, but what motor would fit? I don't think many longitudinal engines will fit because the firewall position. Another NA boxer motor is the best guess. My thinking is that they will add D4S to the 2.4L motor and try to squeeze 240-250hp out of that motor. It only has a larger bore, so it won't be wider than what we have currently. It really depends on how adaptable this platform is for the 86:

Side by side: Look at the height difference of the windshields or the dash position relative to each other.






Engine position: Look how far forward the motor is relative to the strut towers.






Engine bay differences: The steering wrack is further back, which means the motor could move further back, but it doesn't look big enough for a transmission to fit in the tunnel. Just enough size for a driveshaft and front diff. Then again, the 86's transmission has a long bell housing, so I'm not sure.

[JD001]

Why?????