Toyota GR Yaris

[JD001]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Because all of those cars have had reviews say how their interiors feel just the same as their $20k counter parts (as a negative), yet they cost $40k, and this car has a $16k interior/shell of a class below all of those cars you just mentioned.

Again, I hope I eat my words, but if this car is like the Yaris I drove then it may have AWD and a powerful engine, but the car's interior will feel cheap and plastic; the ergonomics will feel like you are sitting on the car and not in the car; the cabin will feel like a tin can floating on the ocean. We will have to see after reviewers get some seat time if I'm way off.

It'll be too fast keeping the driver busy.. So won't notice the low rent interior..

But I think that the car is just too nice for the American market.. they can't cheapen it enough???

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

but the car's interior will feel cheap and plastic; the ergonomics will feel like you are sitting on the car and not in the car; the cabin will feel like a tin can floating on the ocean. We will have to see after reviewers get some seat time if I'm way off.

Again you should really take the time to spend a few minutes with a TNGA car before shitting on this. (Latest gen Camry, Corolla, etc. and then remove the floaty suspension tuning) You sound like a baby-boomer proudly proclaiming how they'll never buy 'jap crap' while driving a Buick.

[DarkSunrise]

Not bad for a first effort, but why couldn't they give it rear doors? If I needed a hot hatch, presumably it would be for its practicality. The rear doors would go a long ways there. Hell even the Veloster N's 3rd door would be better than nothing.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Not bad for a first effort, but why couldn't they give it rear doors? If I needed a hot hatch, presumably it would be for its practicality. The rear doors would go a long ways there. Hell even the Veloster N's 3rd door would be better than nothing.

Honestly it being a 2 door might be the thing I like most about it relative to the competition, makes it look like a sleek little thing, reminds me of a CRZ but with guts. Like a modern M coupe shooting brake or the old tiny hatches, the proportions are excellent (aside from the unavoidable front grill/hood height for pedestrian safety). Probably helps it hit that ~2,800 lb curb weight too.

If you want the extra doors/practicality there's the rest of the super hatches to choose from. The best business advice I've heard is "never charge a fortified hill"

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Not bad for a first effort, but why couldn't they give it rear doors? If I needed a hot hatch, presumably it would be for its practicality. The rear doors would go a long ways there. Hell even the Veloster N's 3rd door would be better than nothing.

The Japanese version of the Yaris and the American version are obviously different, but the GR Yaris is very different from the Japanese version of the Yaris. While it is not as cheap as the American version, the Japanese version is built more like the American version with 4-doors and 5-seats. The GR Yaris has a sloping rear roof with larger fenders that are further forward than the standard Yaris. I'm not saying it is impossible, but the GR looks to have a 2+2 seat setup like the 86, which wouldn't work well as a 4-door. This would make sense because the standard Yaris is FWD, but the GR is AWD, and it needs room for a driveshaft tunnel.

US Yaris aka Mazda 2




Japanese Yaris




Japanese Yaris GR

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[JD001]

I'm now reading that MK2 Twin will have similar horsepower (turbo and possibly 4WD)... And will be renamed GR86...

[RayRay88]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

The Japanese version of the Yaris and the American version are obviously different, but the GR Yaris is very different from the Japanese version of the Yaris. While it is not as cheap as the American version, the Japanese version is built more like the American version with 4-doors and 5-seats. The GR Yaris has a sloping rear roof with larger fenders that are further forward than the standard Yaris. I'm not saying it is impossible, but the GR looks to have a 2+2 seat setup like the 86, which wouldn't work well as a 4-door. This would make sense because the standard Yaris is FWD, but the GR is AWD, and it needs room for a driveshaft tunnel.

US Yaris aka Mazda 2




Japanese Yaris




Japanese Yaris GR

I'm almost certain the two (Japanese Yaris and GR4) have the exact same wheelbase. Same way the GTI/Civic Si's come in both 2 and 4 door, but retain the same wheelbase/overall length.

The only difference is the GR4 get's a modified roof. If they really wanted to they could make a 4 door version, but I doubt sales/interest would generate enough volume/demand to justify the new tooling for the sides.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by RayRay88

I'm almost certain the two (Japanese Yaris and GR4) have the exact same wheelbase. Same way the GTI/Civic Si's come in both 2 and 4 door, but retain the same wheelbase/overall length.

The only difference is the GR4 get's a modified roof. If they really wanted to they could make a 4 door version, but I doubt sales/interest would generate enough volume/demand to justify the new tooling for the sides.

They probably could, but look, they also moved the gas tank door, maybe to get it out of the way to maximize suspension travel or something. But it is probably to keep costs down like you said.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by JD001

I'm now reading that MK2 Twin will have similar horsepower (turbo and possibly 4WD)... And will be renamed GR86...

Those are Supras that are aggressively photoshopped, but they look ok.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Honestly it being a 2 door might be the thing I like most about it relative to the competition, makes it look like a sleek little thing, reminds me of a CRZ but with guts. Like a modern M coupe shooting brake or the old tiny hatches, the proportions are excellent (aside from the unavoidable front grill/hood height for pedestrian safety). Probably helps it hit that ~2,800 lb curb weight too.

If you want the extra doors/practicality there's the rest of the super hatches to choose from. The best business advice I've heard is "never charge a fortified hill"

VW abandoned the 2-door GTI market in the US, so it might be a pretty desolate hill that Toyota is charging up.

I do like your CRZ analogy though. The styling of that car deserved better hardware underneath.

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

The Japanese version of the Yaris and the American version are obviously different, but the GR Yaris is very different from the Japanese version of the Yaris. While it is not as cheap as the American version, the Japanese version is built more like the American version with 4-doors and 5-seats. The GR Yaris has a sloping rear roof with larger fenders that are further forward than the standard Yaris. I'm not saying it is impossible, but the GR looks to have a 2+2 seat setup like the 86, which wouldn't work well as a 4-door. This would make sense because the standard Yaris is FWD, but the GR is AWD, and it needs room for a driveshaft tunnel.

US Yaris aka Mazda 2


Japanese Yaris


Japanese Yaris GR

The Mazda 2 and Japanese Yaris are pretty decent looking cars for economy hatches!

The Mazda 3 hatch is also striking. I like what Mazda is doing right now with their designs.

[strat61caster]

@DarkSunrise you assume they're charging at all in the US, they're not, another car to withhold from Americans.

[why?]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I don't think you understand, the US 'Yaris' is a rebadged Mazda2, they'd have to do all the safety and emissions testing from scratch to get the actual Yaris onto showroom floors and they wouldn't sell any of them, nor would they expect to jacking up the price into a death spiral of even fewer people lining up to buy them. I'd bet they'd lose money on these things which means an even shittier dealership experience contributing further to the death spiral.

Or Toyota could prove me wrong, I'll put $36k on the line after a test drive.

I hate morons that tell me what I don't understand. Toyota had Mazda build the new US Yaris because Mazda just finished a factory in Mexico and had extra capacity. Before that the US received Yaris made in France, which weren't the best. Only in the first few model years in the USA did we receive a Yaris built in Japan.

But you missed my point entirely. What we call a Yaris is two totally separate cars in the rest of the world. Only the hatch is called a Yaris in some parts of the world. The sedan is a totally different vehicle. Toyota does this a lot. So does other companies. The Nissan "Rogue Sport," has absolutely nothing to do with the Rogue and is called Qashqai in the rest of the world. That's typical and nothing to think would be a problem.

What is a problem and why England gets a lot of these cars no one else does is because Japan and England drive on the same side of the road. That will always be the biggest issue for the US to receive a ton of the awesome vehicles from Japan that we don't. And I bet if we got rid of the idiotic over litigious issues we have in the US that might change. But none of these companies want to get sued over selling a left hand drive car in the USA, because they know far too many people here are imbeciles. And creating a right hand drive version is too expensive in a car that won't sell very much.

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I think that came later. We have had the Echo here and Yaris for a while. When pictures of the Echo hatchback hit the US, interest led to Toyota bringing the compact hatch here under the Yaris badge. My ex had a red Yaris sedan back in 2008. It was a real POS in quality. It made the Corolla feel luxury.

I get the general interest in this version. It is essentially a light weight WRX or something built on a tin can chassis, so it is light, but having driven my ex’s Yaris, I am very skeptical about the quality.

You weren't paying attention. The Yaris was never a POS in quality. It has always been one of the least expensive cars to own, and almost nothing ever goes wrong. The early versions might not have had the best interior, but that was literally the point. The first gen Yaris could be had for $9,999. Mine was $13,200 out the door in May of 2006, and I never had any issues at all, even with all the mods I made. It was a perfect car for the 13 years I owned it. With a cheap aftermarket suspension, the Yaris is a fun car to drive. There is a Yaris spec racing series in Japan that has been very popular since the Yaris came out, and the Yaris has done well in SCCA competition. It was basically a front wheel drive Miata.

[WolfpackS2k]

Sadly none of this matters for US residents. We're not getting this car.