Toyota GR Yaris

[why?]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I don't think you understand, the US 'Yaris' is a rebadged Mazda2, they'd have to do all the safety and emissions testing from scratch to get the actual Yaris onto showroom floors and they wouldn't sell any of them, nor would they expect to jacking up the price into a death spiral of even fewer people lining up to buy them. I'd bet they'd lose money on these things which means an even shittier dealership experience contributing further to the death spiral.

Or Toyota could prove me wrong, I'll put $36k on the line after a test drive.

I hate morons that tell me what I don't understand. Toyota had Mazda build the new US Yaris because Mazda just finished a factory in Mexico and had extra capacity. Before that the US received Yaris made in France, which weren't the best. Only in the first few model years in the USA did we receive a Yaris built in Japan.

But you missed my point entirely. What we call a Yaris is two totally separate cars in the rest of the world. Only the hatch is called a Yaris in some parts of the world. The sedan is a totally different vehicle. Toyota does this a lot. So does other companies. The Nissan "Rogue Sport," has absolutely nothing to do with the Rogue and is called Qashqai in the rest of the world. That's typical and nothing to think would be a problem.

What is a problem and why England gets a lot of these cars no one else does is because Japan and England drive on the same side of the road. That will always be the biggest issue for the US to receive a ton of the awesome vehicles from Japan that we don't. And I bet if we got rid of the idiotic over litigious issues we have in the US that might change. But none of these companies want to get sued over selling a left hand drive car in the USA, because they know far too many people here are imbeciles. And creating a right hand drive version is too expensive in a car that won't sell very much.

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

I think that came later. We have had the Echo here and Yaris for a while. When pictures of the Echo hatchback hit the US, interest led to Toyota bringing the compact hatch here under the Yaris badge. My ex had a red Yaris sedan back in 2008. It was a real POS in quality. It made the Corolla feel luxury.

I get the general interest in this version. It is essentially a light weight WRX or something built on a tin can chassis, so it is light, but having driven my ex’s Yaris, I am very skeptical about the quality.

You weren't paying attention. The Yaris was never a POS in quality. It has always been one of the least expensive cars to own, and almost nothing ever goes wrong. The early versions might not have had the best interior, but that was literally the point. The first gen Yaris could be had for $9,999. Mine was $13,200 out the door in May of 2006, and I never had any issues at all, even with all the mods I made. It was a perfect car for the 13 years I owned it. With a cheap aftermarket suspension, the Yaris is a fun car to drive. There is a Yaris spec racing series in Japan that has been very popular since the Yaris came out, and the Yaris has done well in SCCA competition. It was basically a front wheel drive Miata.

[WolfpackS2k]

Sadly none of this matters for US residents. We're not getting this car.

[strat61caster]

@why? All this moron was saying is that bringing the Yaris to the US is a helluva lot more work than driving a couple of them onto a boat because, as you meandered through it's design history to reach the same conclusion, as far as the US gov is concerned it's a whole new car that will need to pass a full battery of crash safety and emissions tests.

[Guru Woodman]

Please sign !

I need this to replace my BRZ.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by why?

You weren't paying attention. The Yaris was never a POS in quality. It has always been one of the least expensive cars to own, and almost nothing ever goes wrong. The early versions might not have had the best interior, but that was literally the point. The first gen Yaris could be had for $9,999. Mine was $13,200 out the door in May of 2006, and I never had any issues at all, even with all the mods I made. It was a perfect car for the 13 years I owned it. With a cheap aftermarket suspension, the Yaris is a fun car to drive. There is a Yaris spec racing series in Japan that has been very popular since the Yaris came out, and the Yaris has done well in SCCA competition. It was basically a front wheel drive Miata.

Least expensive = POS in quality is my point. There is a reason why that car is so light for its size. I understand it was more reliable than your dad’s Cadillac (made up example), except that Cadillac has five times the number of parts.

“With a cheap aftermarket suspension, the Yaris is fun to drive.” See, we obviously have a difference about what is fun. I can have fun in anything, but I wouldn’t describe a car as fun with a 0-60 of 10 seconds, with hard and uncomfortable plastic for resting my arms, that has cheap and uncomfortable seats, and that is loud and feels like a wobbly tin can on road.

People race everything; there is tractor and toilet racing. A cheap car makes it easy to create a series more than an expensive car.

[JD001]

Saito's team drew inspiration from 4WD Focus RS, the Impreza and had an Audi S1 shipped over to Japan...

What's not to love about that??

[HaXx]

whats the official weight of this thing? someone said, 2800lb, someone else said 2400lb. if its an awd hot hatch 260hp 2400lb im moving to japan

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by HaXx

whats the official weight of this thing?

I don't know if there's an "official" weight but 1280kg is the number being thrown about.

[ROFL it's Waffle]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

@why? All this moron was saying is that bringing the Yaris to the US is a helluva lot more work than driving a couple of them onto a boat because, as you meandered through it's design history to reach the same conclusion, as far as the US gov is concerned it's a whole new car that will need to pass a full battery of crash safety and emissions tests.

what a moron

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by HaXx

whats the official weight of this thing? someone said, 2800lb, someone else said 2400lb. if its an awd hot hatch 260hp 2400lb im moving to japan

That would be magic. The ND Miata weighs about 2400lbs, and it doesn't have AWD or a turbocharger system, and it also has a 91'' wheelbase and not the 100'' wheelbase of the GR Yaris. The GR Yaris is closer to the 86 in dimensions with a stubbier front and rear bumper. It saves weight over the 86 with the engine, new chassis, and potentially with the quality in some areas, but it makes that up with the weight of the turbocharger, AWD system and the increase in height/volume.

Miata dimensions:

Wheelbase: 91''
Length: 154''
Width: 68''
Height: 48''

86 dimensions:

Wheelbase: 100''
Length: 167''
Width: 70''
Height: 51''

GR Yaris dimensions:

Wheelbase: 100''
Length: 157''
Width: 71''
Height: 58''

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On a separate note, this article has some excellent pictures of the Jp/Euro Hybrid Yaris:

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/10/20...re-philosophy/

[WolfpackS2k]

2800 lb / 1280 kg has been widely circulated as the weight. Seems realistic.

2600 lb does not.

[DarkPira7e]

Has anyone been able to confirm if you can see the brake pads without taking the wheels off? That's really affecting my willingness to accept this car as something I could feasibly import in 25 years.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e

Has anyone been able to confirm if you can see the brake pads without taking the wheels off? That's really affecting my willingness to accept this car as something I could feasibly import in 25 years.

Wow, you are a planner, and apparently, incredibly picky.

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[Jordanwolf]

Here's the solution to 2nd gen 86 sitting right here.

Drop Subaru, who needs them. It's not like they're going to come out with anything worth while anyway. WRX 2021, bring your dog edition.

Modify this Yaris platform, delete the AWD and make it RWD with two engine trims (NA/FI). Boom, I am genius, gib me money now.