Random Thoughts - Part Deux [NO POLITICS]

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Spuds

Or just take another job for more money and see what the counter offer is?

I have never made a counter-offer to a single one of my employees. If they are already in a mind to leave, it's likely more than just money and it just delays the inevitable. I shake their hands, wish them well, offer to buy them lunch and a beer on their last day and open a replacement req.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I have never made a counter-offer to a single one of my employees. If they are already in a mind to leave, it's likely more than just money and it just delays the inevitable. I shake their hands, wish them well, offer to buy them lunch and a beer on their last day and open a replacement req.

I actually left jobs to positions for less money but that moved me up a step on the career ladder. When I left my last position (another major automotive parts manufacturer) they offered me baskets of money to stay but the job was stagnant and money isn't everything. Took me 8 years in my new position to get up to what they offered me to stay there but I regret nothing!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Clutch Dog

Thats one schtick I cant get over. talking with the group of you some ex navy friends. and mentors in other arenas im trained up in like 5 peoples worth of jobs...

so do I get to pick one? or charge alot and do all 5

Depends on the job market, your ambition, so many other things. I do 5 people's jobs (literally since most of our Mexico plants have 5 people doing what I do) and my pay reflects that. Would I like to focus on one aspect of my job? Be nice for a bit but think I would get bored very quickly. I LIKE doing 5 people's jobs.
Oh and yes I do actually work very hard for long hours contrary to what it appears with my activity here.

[Nevermore]

The job I have now as a contractor was really nice at first because of all the bonus/severance money they paid me to stay, and since the services company I work for is massive I saw it as a good opportunity for advancing my career. After this first transition though... I'm not so sure how good the advancement can be. It looks like a lot of transfers they like are linear with no pay difference. I'd like to climb the ladder (and of course make more money) so I might have to start looking external again, unfortunately.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by Nevermore

The job I have now as a contractor was really nice at first because of all the bonus/severance money they paid me to stay, and since the services company I work for is massive I saw it as a good opportunity for advancing my career. After this first transition though... I'm not so sure how good the advancement can be. It looks like a lot of transfers they like are linear with no pay difference. I'd like to climb the ladder (and of course make more money) so I might have to start looking external again, unfortunately.

The lateral move disguised as a promotion. When I was working I experienced a few of those.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

The lateral move disguised as a promotion. When I was working I experienced a few of those.

But they are sometimes required in order to move up down the road. It has been my experience that some younger people expect to be promoted in months or a year in a position. It can take years and even decades to move up in some fields. All those Baby Boomers that people like to say had great jobs "handed to them" often took 20 or more years to get there so expecting promotion in a couple of years is just not how things work.

[p1l0t]

It's all a matter of what you are qualified for versus what is available. If you're going sit around 10 years waiting to move up you probably aren't looking hard enough (at other places). Forget promises figure out what the quickest path to success is.

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[Nevermore]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

But they are sometimes required in order to move up down the road. It has been my experience that some younger people expect to be promoted in months or a year in a position. It can take years and even decades to move up in some fields. All those Baby Boomers that people like to say had great jobs "handed to them" often took 20 or more years to get there so expecting promotion in a couple of years is just not how things work.

I guess my complaint would be that I like doing stuff that matters. I like having more responsibility and complex tasks, but a lot of what I've worked on these past few years has been pretty much busy work. And this place will probably move me from one role like that to the next. The field might change, but the work won't. How can I prove I'm worthy of a promotion if my resume is stale? I'm not looking for a top level position here, just a more advanced position. I don't think I'm finding that here.

[EAGLE5]

If you are really good, depending on the field, you can switch jobs often and move up quickly, or stay in the same company and do the same. That's a rarity. In teaching, if you're really smart, it takes about five years just to get a reasonable grasp of what you're doing. My brother, a corporate lawyer, is more or less stuck where he is, at the mid-high end of the management range. Maybe he can do more and maybe not, but nobody is going to move him up.

[Ultramaroon]

My work has a really nice cafeteria.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

My work has a really nice cafeteria.

The chili dogs in our vending machines are to die for. Possibly literally.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The chili dogs in our vending machines are to die for. Possibly literally.

There is no such thing as a bad chili dog, only bad results from eating it. I can live with that....well at least in the short term....long term has probably been heavily impacted by chili dogs.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The chili dogs in our vending machines are to die for. Possibly literally.

Joe usually works the short orders. He makes the best chili dogs. Cuts them down the middle and grills them before adding the homemade chili. He's really generous with the fresh-cut fries too. Mmmmm.....

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Joe usually works the short orders. He makes the best chili dogs. Cuts them down the middle and grills them before adding the homemade chili. He's really generous with the fresh-cut fries too. Mmmmm.....

I had one of your favourites for dinner the other day.