Jack Hollis is out at Scion

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

Have you not seen anything Toyoda-san does? He's been in 24 hour nurburgring races in both the 86 and LFA, he personally tested the 86 during development and gave direct input during it's creation. He even had new recruits to Toyota show up to a race track, where he was lapping in an LFA, pulled up to them and and hopped out. Told them if they don't like cars, they shouldn't be there. I'm trying to find the article where this was witnessed but it was from a few years back, if I find it, I'll link it.



If he truly did "get it" he would have left the car named 86, not changed 86 logos to Scion and left it with Toyota. Since this car was meant to revitalize Toyota's passion, not keep Scion a float a bit longer.

As for the "he's not an engineer" comment, I point to what I said about Toyoda-san in this post. That's how I expect him to know about his products, the same way his President and CEO does.

Yeah, but same thing can be said bout other VP. What Lexus VP have done? When Toyoda-San have raced using TRD Prius or other Eco cars? What Nissan president recently raced? Why Subie CEO didn't bring EE engine to US? Why Ford President didn't bring diesel engine to Fiesta?

Again, not all higher up ppl can put feedback to EVERYTHING they oversee

[Hanzo]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

Have you not seen anything Toyoda-san does? He's been in 24 hour nurburgring races in both the 86 and LFA, he personally tested the 86 during development and gave direct input during it's creation. He even had new recruits to Toyota show up to a race track, where he was lapping in an LFA, pulled up to them and and hopped out. Told them if they don't like cars, they shouldn't be there. I'm trying to find the article where this was witnessed but it was from a few years back, if I find it, I'll link it.



If he truly did "get it" he would have left the car named 86, not changed 86 logos to Scion and left it with Toyota. Since this car was meant to revitalize Toyota's passion, not keep Scion a float a bit longer.

As for the "he's not an engineer" comment, I point to what I said about Toyoda-san in this post. That's how I expect him to know about his products, the same way his President and CEO does.

There is not many CEOs like Akio and I am sure the decision to bring the gt86 over as a fr-s is not totally up to Jack. You think the CEO didn't have a say in how the car will be branded in the US?

[MarkRacerX]

Congrats to Jack !!! I have no complaints from 1st 86 Long Beach Promo trip and he def wanted to make sure everyone was having a good time

[Hanzo]

Originally Posted by Gen

I really, really doubt he had any say in the matter. Regardless, if he did, his primary objective would be to further the Scion brand, in which case, having the 86 / FRS under that banner would further that objective.

Not trying to argue, but Finance calls a heck of a lot more shots than does Marketing.

I say kick out the finance guys.

[Gen]

Originally Posted by Hanzo

I say kick out the finance guys.

Finance guys do ruin everything.

[Exhaust]

I just thought the guy was cheesy if you ask me

[whtchocla7e]

Sketchy dude overall.

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Yeah, but same thing can be said bout other VP. What Lexus VP have done? When Toyoda-San have raced using TRD Prius or other Eco cars? What Nissan president recently raced? Why Subie CEO didn't bring EE engine to US? Why Ford President didn't bring diesel engine to Fiesta?

Again, not all higher up ppl can put feedback to EVERYTHING they oversee

Seeing as Toyoda-san has been quoted saying he wanted to bring Toyota out of making boring cars. I could see why he's avoided the echo and prius, he's focused on the true, purpose built, performance cars. As for the other brands and their CEOs, there's a reason I side with Toyota and not them. (Well a few reasons, but that's one)

I'm not saying he should have put feedback into the car during development, but I do expect him to actually drive the car around a track and know a thing or two about vehicles, aside from brochure quotes. Especially with this particular vehicle and what it was supposed to stand for.

[empower-auto]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

Akio Toyoda-san would beg to differ, given how he does things.

tell me more about how you're buddies with Mr. Toyoda-san

[SpeedR]

Originally Posted by MarkRacerX

Congrats to Jack !!! I have no complaints from 1st 86 Long Beach Promo trip and he def wanted to make sure everyone was having a good time

QFT

[ahausheer]

It seemed that all he did for the brand was not screw it up completely. When he was given great products they did well, when they had poor products their sales started to slide big time. All he did was stay neutral and not screw things up. Their web site always sucked and was super slow, their commercials were never memorable nor was, well, anything they ever did. He seemed like he was always slightly faking his enthusiasm and I felt like he was never genuine.

[blu_]

^ He seemed like a tweeky small time executive trying to be cool because thats what the brand was about.

[quik1987]

He got promoted, good for him.

[Saber_TRD]

Originally Posted by Saber_TRD

Have you not seen anything Toyoda-san does? He's been in 24 hour nurburgring races in both the 86 and LFA, he personally tested the 86 during development and gave direct input during it's creation. He even had new recruits to Toyota show up to a race track, where he was lapping in an LFA, pulled up to them and and hopped out. Told them if they don't like cars, they shouldn't be there. I'm trying to find the article where this was witnessed but it was from a few years back, if I find it, I'll link it.

Originally Posted by empower-auto

tell me more about how you're buddies with Mr. Toyoda-san

Read on past that post, you'll see my explanation or read my self quote (man that's weird) nicely placed here for you to see and save you the trouble.