Scion's big announcement!?! Coming on April 20.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

B) Toyota has a HUGE RWD sports car heritage, dating back to the '60's with the 2000GT, and had a RWD sports car in one form or another, from then until 1998 (in the U.S.).
C) Honda, did/does not.
D) My post was just pointing out the irony in his statement. The honda crowd is known as "the honda crowd" for a damned reason, because, thats WHAT they did in those days. They earned that negative stigma through their own enthusiasts. I continued by saying I've never seen a Scion owner act like that, and even then, no where NEAR the number of Honda guys if they had. On the flip side, I understand not ALL honda guys are apart of that crowd. That is aside the point of my original post...it was just pointing out irony.

Soichiro Honda love has always been for 2 wheels so thats where their heritage started. Honda cars are just extra profit!



http://world.honda.com/MotoGP/history/02/

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

okay. thanks for telling us. I don't think this changes anything.

Now, can I be the blue dude?

US? Pretty sure I wasn't talking to YOU. Thanks for your lack luster of a response to something I was not addressing toward the community as announcement that I was black.

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

S2K > MR-S in every facet in factory form...still take the MR-S over it though.

MRS + 2zz..that would be a handful for the S2k for sure.

[cyde01]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

I'm going to be honest. The last couple posts got me thinking this site is full of guys who blah blah blah

if you don't like the crowd here then why are you here? it's only natural that based on the prototype this forum is gonna be full of old school toyota types. i really don't understand why an FF honda guy that wants a torquey v6 muscle car would be on this forum?

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

US? Pretty sure I wasn't talking to YOU. Thanks for your lack luster of a response to something I was not addressing toward the community as announcement that I was black.



MRS + 2zz..that would be a handful for the S2k for sure.

Even with a 2ZZ swap I'd say the S2K would still have the edge. Its got a much more performance oriented suspension setup from the factory, plus the 2ZZ is sill lagging by about 20-30hp.

Heh, this brings up a good point though...did BMI ever race Spirit's MR-S against the Amuse SK2?

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Even with a 2ZZ swap I'd say the S2K would still have the edge. Its got a much more performance oriented suspension setup from the factory, plus the 2ZZ is sill lagging by about 20-30hp.

Heh, this brings up a good point though...did BMI ever race Spirit's MR-S against the Amuse SK2?

I always think of this vid

[Allch Chcar]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

US? Pretty sure I wasn't talking to YOU. Thanks for your lack luster of a response to something I was not addressing toward the community as announcement that I was black.
...

I really don't think it matters either way, black or blue, Dragonitti. Haters gonna hate. He is hating.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Even with a 2ZZ swap I'd say the S2K would still have the edge. Its got a much more performance oriented suspension setup from the factory, plus the 2ZZ is sill lagging by about 20-30hp.

Heh, this brings up a good point though...did BMI ever race Spirit's MR-S against the Amuse SK2?

Yes, the S2K got it's ass handed to it.

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Yes, the S2K got it's ass handed to it.

Yeah, I completely forgot about the vid Dragon just linked, that MR-S was over a second faster than the S2K on their best laps. HAYAI indeed, lol.
Plus the MR-S sounds better.

I will be fair to an extent though...that MR-S is more track prepped than the S2K.

Should read the comments on page 3 for a good laugh...about 4 seriously uninformed peeps posting on that video.

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by Allch Chcar

I really don't think it matters either way, black or blue, Dragonitti. Haters gonna hate. He is hating.

Good point, no hard feelings..

[Zorro]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Soichiro Honda love has always been for 2 wheels so thats where their heritage started. Honda cars are just extra profit!



http://world.honda.com/MotoGP/history/02/

haha, nice picture!

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by Zorro

haha, nice picture!

Let those who hate on Honda continue to hate! They are definitely a pioneer in the motorsport world! The Isle of Mann TT is celebrating it's 100th Anniversary this year. Honda celebrated their 50th in '09 and Yamaha celebrating their 50th this year. 100 yrs of racing and still going strong! If you have never seen an Isle of Man TT race, it's definitely something to see!



Declaration

March 20, 1954

Some five years have passed since the founding of our Honda Motor Co., and I never cease to rejoice that the efforts of all our employees have taken form in the achievement of our epoch-making advances.

Since I was a small child, one of my dreams has been to compete in motor vehicle races all over the world with a vehicle of my own making, and to win. However, before I can become victor over the whole world, I must first, of course, assure the security of the business, obtain precision machinery and equipment, and create superior designs. I have, therefore, been devoting myself entirely to these points, and working to present superior practical vehicles to our customers in this country. Consequently, I have not had any free time for turning my energy to motorcycle racing until today.

Now, however, reports on the recent international motorcycle race held in São Paulo have provided me with detailed information on the situation in the countries of Europe and America. I had thought that I was seeing the world with a fair degree of realism, without being caught up in fixed ideas, but now I realize that, after all, I have been blinded by my excessive feeling for Japan in its present situation. Even now, the world is advancing at tremendous speed.

Conversely, however, as I have always felt, I am filled with an abundant, unshakable confidence that I can win. The fighting spirit that is my nature will no longer allow me to continue turning away.

Now that we are equipped with a production system in which I have absolute confidence, the time of opportunity has arrived. I have reached the firm decision to enter the TT Races next year.

Never before has a Japanese entered this race with a motorcycle made in Japan. It goes without saying that the winner of this race will be known across the globe, but the same is also true for any vehicle that completes the entire race safely. It is said, therefore, that the fame of such an achievement will assure a certain volume of exports, and that is why every major manufacturer in Germany, England, Italy, and France is concentrating on preparations with all its might.

I will fabricate a 250 cc (medium class) racer for this race, and as the representative of our Honda Motor Co., I will send it out into the spotlight of the world. I am confident that this vehicle can reach speeds exceeding 180 km/h.

Even a superior aircraft engine has a power output of about 0.55 PS per liter, but this racer will have nearly double that power, at 1.00 PS per liter. When this engine is completed on the basis of our companys creativity, it will be no exaggeration whatsoever to say that it will rank at the worlds highest levels of engineering.

Since the motorcycle, a shining star of modern heavy industry, is a comprehensive business, it will require the highest engineering level not only of the engine but also of tires, chains, carbwatos and other parts. To achieve this , it must be supported by meticulous attention to detail and unremitting effort.

I address all employees!

Let us bring together the full strength of Honda Motor Co. to win through to this glorious achievement. The future of Honda Motor Co. depends on this, and the burden rests on your shoulders. I want you to turn your surging enthusiasm to this task, endure every trial, and press through with all the minute demands of work and research, making this your own chosen path. The advances made by Honda Motor Co. are the growth you achieve as human beings, and your growth is what assures our Honda Motor Co. its future.

The scrupulous care that is required when tightening a single screw, and the commitment that refuses to waste a single sheet of paper: these are what will open the way before you, and prepare a route for Honda Motor Co.

Fortunately, our outside contractors, our agents, and our banks have given us their generous cooperation. I am, moreover, blessed with customers who join us as well to help concentrate our entire power on this point.

I see that Germany, though like us defeated in the war, has many industries that are reviving, and feel more than ever that our Honda Motor Co. must, above all, enter this race and complete it.

We must gauge the true worth of the Japanese machine industry, and raise it to a point where we can display it proudly to the entire world. The mission of our Honda Motor Co. is to enlighten Japanese industry.

With this, I announce my determination, and pledge with you that I will put my entire heart and soul, and turn all my creativity and skills to the task of entering the TT Races and winning them.

This I affirm.

Soichiro Honda

President

Honda Motor Co., Ltd.

[Dragonitti]

I've watched the Isle of Man TT quite a bit.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by RRnold

Let those who hate on Honda continue to hate! They are definitely a pioneer in the motorsport world! The Isle of Mann TT is celebrating it's 100th Anniversary this year. Honda celebrated their 50th in '09 and Yamaha celebrating their 50th this year. 100 yrs of racing and still going strong! If you have never seen an Isle of Man TT race, it's definitely something to see!

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