Oil cooolah

[Legend@wheels]

hi
is anyone tried this one?
https://www.nedautoparts.com/product...nt=25891189392
how effective is that @ track?(usually after 6-7 laps of 1.5km each i get to 120-130 oil temp).
i have 2 issues with this product .
1 a chance (very rare one i suppose but still not familiar with this specific product and how reliable/durable it is )that coolant/oil might mix that into that.
2 as for using the coolant fluid you get more "heat source"to the fluid that can result in by putting extra nerve to the cooling system,isnt it?and again-rarely to happen-over heating the whole system.

[tyler_win_photo]

This oil cooler will not be sufficient for the track. If you're doing 20 minute sessions and are a decent driver you will still overheat. The cooler is meant more for a street application.

[Legend@wheels]

i know this one is 'compromise option'but for cars that under warranty its a good option that can be removed easily before going into service .
most of my sessions are 10minutes sometimes 20 .
as long as this one can get me to that 20minutes without overheated oil -its all good then.
and be reliable to my concerns(as mentioned above)

[chazmuska]

Don't waste your $$ on it

[86MLR]

Not really a oil cooler per say.

It does help a little bit, until its heatsoaked, then it does nothing for cooling.

They are used to bring up your oil temp quicker.

A few manufacturers use them.

I have the OEM Forester one on my 86.

It helps bring up my oil temp to 90°c in about 4 or 5 minutes, dependant on ambient temps.

For NA street cars they work a treat, the OEM cooling system is good anyway, well mine isn't having issues.

For street car with turbo, it maybe alright for short bursts, dependent on multiple factors, you would need to do some logging.

For a turbo or NA car that sees the track, I would look at oil to air.

Be aware using a oil to air cooler will add to the time it takes to get the oil up to operating temps.

When I fitted a oil to air cooler, with a termostat(85°c) on my STI I also removed the heat exchanger, the car took ages, like 10 minutes to get the oil to around 90°c.

If you haven't picked it, I'm real anal about getting my oil temps up to aroubd 90°c as quick as possible, and trying to get it to be stable when I'm leaning on it.

If/when I boost my 86, if I require oil temp control, I'm looking at retaining the Forester heat exchanger, and adding a oil to air cooler with a 93°c thermostat.

[86MLR]

https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/...omment=7883774

[Legend@wheels]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

Not really a oil cooler per say.

It does help a little bit, until its heatsoaked, then it does nothing for cooling.

They are used to bring up your oil temp quicker.

A few manufacturers use them.

I have the OEM Forester one on my 86.

It helps bring up my oil temp to 90°c in about 4 or 5 minutes, dependant on ambient temps.

For NA street cars they work a treat, the OEM cooling system is good anyway, well mine isn't having issues.

For street car with turbo, it maybe alright for short bursts, dependent on multiple factors, you would need to do some logging.

For a turbo or NA car that sees the track, I would look at oil to air.

Be aware using a oil to air cooler will add to the time it takes to get the oil up to operating temps.

When I fitted a oil to air cooler, with a termostat(85°c) on my STI I also removed the heat exchanger, the car took ages, like 10 minutes to get the oil to around 90°c.

If you haven't picked it, I'm real anal about getting my oil temps up to aroubd 90°c as quick as possible, and trying to get it to be stable when I'm leaning on it.

If/when I boost my 86, if I require oil temp control, I'm looking at retaining the Forester heat exchanger, and adding a oil to air cooler with a 93°c thermostat.

atm @ winter it takes my car about 10-15minutes to get to operation temps...

what is that 'forester heat exchanger'?i think its pretty much like i posted,isnt it?
as a conclusion if i get air to oil i should get the product i asked about too .
to cover all around-quicker cold heating to operation temp and cooling the oil @ track.

which is now 90? whats our thermostat behaviour?-opens at 90 and close at..?

[Vesartis]

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3166393

Just made a post in this thread about track performance. It does something, which is better than nothing. For me the costs were low, and I felt comfortable doing the install myself. With an air to oil, I would be worried about leaks, and would probably have someone else install it at additional cost. For a car under warranty, this seemed like a nice in-between step for me.

[Legend@wheels]

Originally Posted by Vesartis

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3166393

Just made a post in this thread about track performance. It does something, which is better than nothing. For me the costs were low, and I felt comfortable doing the install myself. With an air to oil, I would be worried about leaks, and would probably have someone else install it at additional cost. For a car under warranty, this seemed like a nice in-between step for me.

according to your graph it just does it !
257F instead of 280 is quite good.
exactly what i expected that to get to.
add to that 25f less heat and a quicker heat to operation temp =its quite a good deal for what it costs,how it be installed,and the most important wont avoid warranty since its pretty easy to remove before going to the dealer.

the thing is :
how did you check it and for how long? in track?how long was each session?how many sessions?

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by Legend@wheels

atm @ winter it takes my car about 10-15minutes to get to operation temps...

what is that 'forester heat exchanger'?i think its pretty much like i posted,isnt it?
as a conclusion if i get air to oil i should get the product i asked about too .
to cover all around-quicker cold heating to operation temp and cooling the oil @ track.

which is now 90? whats our thermostat behaviour?-opens at 90 and close at..?

The one you posted is a Forester item, just rebranded.

The thermostat I want opens at 93°c, until then the oil to air cooler is bypassed.

Well mostly bypassed, I believe a small % of oil still gets directed to the cooler.

[JIM THEO]

A good 5W30 or higher viscosity oil, a lower water temp thermostat and an OEM style oil cooler all together I think are more than enough for spirited road/mountain driving and mild track use!
If you are really serious on tracks you need more than air to oil cooler, for example sump baffle as you may suffer oil starvation, updated fuel pump etc etc

[Legend@wheels]

Originally Posted by JIM THEO

A good 5W30 or higher viscosity oil, a lower water temp thermostat and an OEM style oil cooler all together I think are more than enough for spirited road/mountain driving and mild track use!
If you are really serious on tracks you need more than air to oil cooler, for example sump baffle as you may suffer oil starvation, updated fuel pump etc etc

a mate of mine just installed mishimoto air to oil cooler and its more than great !
he never gets higher than 220F on track (EVEN AFTER 20minutes of driving)@ 30degrees ambient temp!
while OE setup made him to stop every 5minutes of driving around the track and cool down the car for another 10minutes .(got to 260-270F)

[JIM THEO]

That's why I add to the equation (for road use) the lower temperature thermostat and thicker oil, to give some time margin before oil temperature rises remarkably!
But as you say there is no substitute for a good air to oil cooler, at least

[Vesartis]

Originally Posted by Legend@wheels

according to your graph it just does it !
257F instead of 280 is quite good.
exactly what i expected that to get to.
add to that 25f less heat and a quicker heat to operation temp =its quite a good deal for what it costs,how it be installed,and the most important wont avoid warranty since its pretty easy to remove before going to the dealer.

the thing is :
how did you check it and for how long? in track?how long was each session?how many sessions?

I will repost the imgur link so people don't have to go hunting. https://imgur.com/a/e90ChVU

First, I agree with this forum's general advice of getting a proper oil cooler for serious track stuff. I was debating getting the Jackson Racing Dual Radiator/Cooler, and I may do that down the road. But I put a lot of daily miles on my car, so I wanted to minimize aftermarket failure points until I get through the warranty period.

To answer your questions:
These temperatures are just off the OBD, and the time period is a single entire session at Streets of Willow CCW, the raw data is trimmed to line up as best as possible.
Before: 15 minutes, 9 laps, session 2 of 4, 67F ambients, 11am on November 3.
After: 20 minutes, 11 laps, session 4 of 4, 65F ambients, 3pm on December 22.
The pace was roughly 1:30-1:35 (maybe some slower laps due to traffic) which is a healthy pace. There is about an hour between each session.