Ford will stop selling cars by 2022...

[Ultramaroon]

SMH at the ongoing vehicle arms race. Makes me sick. Fuck insecure ignorant bitches of either gender driving SUVs because "safety."

Grrr!...



That is all.

[White64Goat]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Any spikes in oil pricing and they're in for a world of hurt.

Not sure I agree with the decision, but corporate America only cares about profit.

You mean like how gas prices have been climbing through April? Regular in Pa. is at $3 a gallon or just a little over that. Heard a clip from a podcast and they say it's because the economy is stronger now and more people are out and about, highest demand for gas in April since April 2014 and that crude prices are also on the rise.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

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Many many want new cars and that included sedans. I can never wrap my head around the frequently stated "just buy a better used one". Where do all these used cars come from if nobody should buy new?....

It tends to be cyclical like most other commodities. Used car prices vary right along with supply and demand. When there are lots of used cars available, prices fall and you can get a great used car for cheap. Lots of people on the bubble price wise will go with the "better level" used car. Eventually the price gap narrows and folks go back to new cars. All those new cars become used cars, the cycle starts again.

We saw this in the US after the "cash for clunkers" deal. it killed the used car supply causing folks to move to new. Eventually it swung back the other way.

You also see it when there is a huge lease fleet come on the market. This happened recently in Atlanta when all the Nissan Leafs that were basically free for a two year lease with "green" incentives. Now, they can't give the used ones away there are so many back off-lease.

Last summer we bought my soon a 2 year old off-lease Ford Focus for just at 50% off the original sticker price, still with 10,000 miles left on the warranty. It would have been very hard to have justified buying a new one given that.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by White64Goat

You mean like how gas prices have been climbing through April? Regular in Pa. is at $3 a gallon or just a little over that. Heard a clip from a podcast and they say it's because the economy is stronger now and more people are out and about, highest demand for gas in April since April 2014 and that crude prices are also on the rise.

I meant a spike due to a major shock to the economy, war overseas, or natural disaster.

Let's not forget the Gulf Coast has like the lion's share of petroleum refining capability in the US, a good hurricane + a random conflict involving one of the Persian Gulf states can easily make oil spike sky high.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mav1178

I meant a spike due to a major shock to the economy, war overseas, or natural disaster.

Let's not forget the Gulf Coast has like the lion's share of petroleum refining capability in the US, a good hurricane + a random conflict involving one of the Persian Gulf states can easily make oil spike sky high.

And the Canadian dollar will go up and all of a sudden we can get cheap car parts!

[chaoskaze]

Well, toyota and honda is still there.

Did you guys see the new avalon? Man that's a good car.

Ford and us brand offering is so far behind comepare to the german/japanese auto makers on sedans....


I don't know what ford is smoking but the new camry is still the best selling car in the first quater of 2018 in US.

[chaoskaze]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And the Canadian dollar will go up and all of a sudden we can get cheap car parts!

Then you can invest in US real estate like lots canadian did back in 2013!

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

Fuck insecure ignorant bitches of either gender driving SUVs because "safety."

Said ignorant bitches interviewed here.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3EvsrMaj6U"]Jeremy Clarkson's view on off-road cars, 4x4s and the school run - Clarkson's Car Years - BBC worldwide - YouTube[/ame]

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by chaoskaze

the new camry is still the best selling car in the first quater of 2018 in US.

That's not because the Camry is a good car. It's because, generally, people who buy Camrys don't know any better because they've never had anything else. It's a car for people who want an appliance. just like my clothesdryer is an appliance to me. It does the job, but I don't care beyond that. They don't care. They just want a car. It's much easier to go to the Toyota dealer you've always gone to and trade it in for the same drink of beige than it is to go cross shopping. That takes effort.

[wbradley]

Long thread!

The sedans probably went to fleets a lot and can be supplanted with CUVs and SUVs. With so many gears or CVT they are more efficient than ever.

And high COG designs will be less so when fitted with varying degrees of electrification.

[MuseChaser]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

...Changing cars to "save money" on mileage is another myth. It rarely actually saves real money. Again, something most people overlook.

This .. ^^^^ .. about a million times. Some friends of mine were in a difficult financial position, so they sold their house and bought a slightly smaller cheaper one to "save money." Thing is, they owed less on their previous house than the purchase price of their new house and less on that mortgage (and less time to go) than they do on their new mortgage. "But.. but... lower payments.." ... well, then refinance.. "but... smaller.. cheaper to heat.." .. the extra $20K in debt recently incurred by new mortgage buys a LOT of heat.. "but..but.. cash in hand after closing" ... ummm.. no... extra debt incurred by taking said cash. No matter what, I couldn't get them to understand what was really happening. Refinancing to lower payments if absolutely necessary due to family circumstances, sure. Incurring MORE debt to save money.. NO. That's like eating ice cream to lose weight.

Same thing with cars. Yes, you can buy a car that will get better mileage than your current car, but you'll almost assuredly spend more purchasing a newer car than any savings you realize in gas expenditure. Saving money is NEVER a reason to buy a newer car.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by MuseChaser

This .. ^^^^ .. about a million times. Some friends of mine were in a difficult financial position, so they sold their house and bought a slightly smaller cheaper one to "save money." Thing is, they owed less on their previous house than the purchase price of their new house and less on that mortgage (and less time to go) than they do on their new mortgage. "But.. but... lower payments.." ... well, then refinance.. "but... smaller.. cheaper to heat.." .. the extra $20K in debt recently incurred by new mortgage buys a LOT of heat.. "but..but.. cash in hand after closing" ... ummm.. no... extra debt incurred by taking said cash. No matter what, I couldn't get them to understand what was really happening. Refinancing to lower payments if absolutely necessary due to family circumstances, sure. Incurring MORE debt to save money.. NO. That's like eating ice cream to lose weight.

Same thing with cars. Yes, you can buy a car that will get better mileage than your current car, but you'll almost assuredly spend more purchasing a newer car than any savings you realize in gas expenditure. Saving money is NEVER a reason to buy a newer car.

My wife buys new cars because she sees a colour she like better than what she has! At least the last time I convinced her to dump the gas guzzling SUV for something a little more thrifty.

[unhappymeal]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

That's not because the Camry is a good car. It's because, generally, people who buy Camrys don't know any better because they've never had anything else. It's a car for people who want an appliance. just like my clothesdryer is an appliance to me. It does the job, but I don't care beyond that. They don't care. They just want a car. It's much easier to go to the Toyota dealer you've always gone to and trade it in for the same drink of beige than it is to go cross shopping. That takes effort.

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. The reality is for a vast majority of people, a car is a means to an end.

[MuseChaser]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

My wife buys new cars because she sees a colour she like better than what she has! At least the last time I convinced her to dump the gas guzzling SUV for something a little more thrifty.

The guy/gal who invents a car coating whose color can be changed electrically via remote key fob or dash control is going to become very very rich... or very hated by new car dealers since your wife is hardly alone in her purchasing reasoning in this world.

This technology HAS to exist... right?