New 240Z Confirmed for Nissan's 80th Anniversary! [Video]

[vh_supra26]

A lot of this "400Z" reporting is from AutoCars. Definitely fake news...

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...v6-nismo-model

By comparison, the outgoing 370Z has a turbocharged 3.7-litre V6 powerplant that delivers 323bhp and 268lb ft.

Although it's still early days, Autocar understands that Nissan intends to reveal the styling of the new Z car in concept form at the 2018 Tokyo motor show in October. The definitive production version is then planned to be unveiled at the 2019 Los Angeles motor show.

No Tokyo Motor Show this year.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Obviously by doing what so described the dealer shows people who should never be buying a car as able to. Easier to get subprime and first time buyers etc to buy. Statistically those people generally don't have the best sense when it comes to bills.....

Rebates only work on new cars, hence the volume increasing year by year.

Don't even mention the various CVT lawsuits and issues.

You are saying the dealerships are inflating the prices then offering factory rebates as down payments so subprime buyers who don’t have down payments or enough of a down payment to qualify for a loan, get qualified for a loan? These people would make up 10% of sales, which is an industry average (maybe lower or higher depending on the prevalence). Considering Nissan sold over 400,000 Rogues, 40,000 less would still make it a top 5 or 6 vehicle. Even if the prevalence was 20% (double the average rate) then the Rogue would still be in the top ten.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

You are saying the dealerships are inflating the prices then offering factory rebates as down payments so subprime buyers who don’t have down payments or enough of a down payment to qualify for a loan, get qualified for a loan? These people would make up 10% of sales, which is an industry average (maybe lower or higher depending on the prevalence). Considering Nissan sold over 400,000 Rogues, 40,000 less would still make it a top 5 or 6 vehicle. Even if the prevalence was 20% (double the average rate) then the Rogue would still be in the top ten.

You really don't get car sales. Also, why are you talking about a cheap crossover like it's a brand marque that makes them a great manufacturer?

[funwheeldrive]

This is an attempt to try and steal spotlight from the Supra. If Nissan actually ends up making a Z replacement it will probably be worse than the 370z in terms of driver involvement. I'm not going to hold my breath on this one.

[Twinz]

I remember the discussions on the Z forums back when I drove a 350Z and was more active in the online Z community...

The majority wanted what amounted to a Floridian snow man.

1 More power
2 Less weight
3 About ten-grand cheaper.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

This is an attempt to try and steal spotlight from the Supra. If Nissan actually ends up making a Z replacement it will probably be worse than the 370z in terms of driver involvement. I'm not going to hold my breath on this one.

No this is a car blog slamming another car blog for starting rumors. Nissan has no part in it and are not trying to steal any spotlight. How can anybody even remotely think that article said they were considering a new car?

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

No this is a car blog slamming another car blog for starting rumors. Nissan has no part in it and are not trying to steal any spotlight. How can anybody even remotely think that article said they were considering a new car?

I just looked at the pictures...

There's so may of these "fake" stories out there I figure you guys will post more if they are for reals.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

You really don't get car sales. Also, why are you talking about a cheap crossover like it's a brand marque that makes them a great manufacturer?

The facts from the article are that only 10% of loans in the industry are subprime. You made a claim about subprime lending regarding Nissan, suggesting their sales numbers are inflated, which was not substantiated by the evidence. The fallacy in this line of reasoning doesn't require a PHD in car sales.

Nissan stopped making good cars a while ago.

I never said they are great. I replied that they are killing it in sales or that their sales are great, which was a retort to you saying they stopped making good cars, implying the market would seem to be disagreeing with you, to which you countered that Nissan is manipulating sales with dirty sales tactics by selling cars to subprime buyers, to which I countered, and here we are.

Look, there are all varieties of vehicles and manufactures in the market. What is good by one metric could be poor by another. If we analyze Nissan against their peers, what we find is that Nissan is doing great in sales. While there are loyalists to a brand, most people cross shop for the best value for them when looking for a vehicle in a given class. To that end, Nissan is doing great in sales, which is likely a reflection that they are able to offer a vehicle with great value. It doesn't make the Rogue a great SUV or make the Altima or the Sentra great cars, but it is highly unlikely that they don't make good vehicles.

[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Twinz

I remember the discussions on the Z forums back when I drove a 350Z and was more active in the online Z community...

The majority wanted what amounted to a Floridian snow man.

1 More power
2 Less weight
3 About ten-grand cheaper.

Lol sounds like ft86club.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

The facts from the article are that only 10% of loans in the industry are subprime. You made a claim about subprime lending regarding Nissan, suggesting their sales numbers are inflated, which was not substantiated by the evidence. The fallacy in this line of reasoning doesn't require a PHD in car sales.



I never said they are great. I replied that they are killing it in sales or that their sales are great, which was a retort to you saying they stopped making good cars, implying the market would seem to be disagreeing with you, to which you countered that Nissan is manipulating sales with dirty sales tactics by selling cars to subprime buyers, to which I countered, and here we are..

I never said that it was dirty sales tactics. I also didnt claim that a majority of their sales were subprime. I said they CATERED to first time buyers and subprime customers as well as people who probably shouldn't be getting the loans they do when nissan throws a whole ton of cash on the hood. The actual reporting numbers are skewed anyways as subprime who get a good or even average cosigner are often no longer considered subprime. Especially when titling and buyer vs cobuyer comes in to play. First time buyers with just enough credit but nothing long established aren't considered subprime either. That article doesn't take a lot of things in to consideration.

Point is, anything exciting and innovative died a while ago in the nissan brand. Every now and then a neat concept comes out but their current stable is a snoozefest save the GTR, which is great, but long overdue for a changeup.

Enjoy whatever nissan you have or are buying!!!!

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

I never said that it was dirty sales tactics. I also didnt claim that a majority of their sales were subprime. I said they CATERED to first time buyers and subprime customers as well as people who probably shouldn't be getting the loans they do when nissan throws a whole ton of cash on the hood. The actual reporting numbers are skewed anyways as subprime who get a good or even average cosigner are often no longer considered subprime. Especially when titling and buyer vs cobuyer comes in to play. First time buyers with just enough credit but nothing long established aren't considered subprime either. That article doesn't take a lot of things in to consideration.

Point is, anything exciting and innovative died a while ago in the nissan brand. Every now and then a neat concept comes out but their current stable is a snoozefest save the GTR, which is great, but long overdue for a changeup.

Enjoy whatever nissan you have or are buying!!!!

Dirty tactics was my interpretation of your attitude to subprime loans and the general perception of them from the rest of the market analysts, and was used to spice up the verbage.

Again, where is the evidence? Where is the link? I’ve provided links. You keep claiming things about Nissan without links. The claim hasn’t been demonstrated nor does the math add up to substantiate any secondary claim that their vehicles aren’t good.

And the other point is everything innovate and exciting died from many brands. Until the 86, what did Toyota have that was exciting? At least Nissan had a sports car in the Z and the GTR for a while. What about Honda? They released the NSX how many years after the GTR? The Type R just came to the states to give the Civic more appeal than a suped up econobox? It is not like the other guys have done much to break the status quo. I’m no Nissan fan boy, but I’m saying their position in the market suggests they are building good cars.

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Dirty tactics was my interpretation of your attitude to subprime loans and the general perception of them from the rest of the market analysts, and was used to spice up the verbage.

Again, where is the evidence? Where is the link? I’ve provided links. You keep claiming things about Nissan without links. The claim hasn’t been demonstrated nor does the math add up to substantiate any secondary claim that their vehicles aren’t good.

And the other point is everything innovate and exciting died from many brands. Until the 86, what did Toyota have that was exciting? At least Nissan had a sports car in the Z and the GTR for a while. What about Honda? They released the NSX how many years after the GTR? The Type R just came to the states to give the Civic more appeal than a suped up econobox? It is not like the other guys have done much to break the status quo. I’m no Nissan fan boy, but I’m saying their position in the market suggests they are building good cars.

One link to an article three years old, and some sales figures..... I am saying what should be considered common knowledge, or at least rational thought.

You could compare companies all day long, certain companies just have more of a loyal following than others and don't need neccesarilly develop a new following at this time. The car market is very cyclical.

[Yardjass]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

This is an attempt to try and steal spotlight from the Supra. If Nissan actually ends up making a Z replacement it will probably be worse than the 370z in terms of driver involvement. I'm not going to hold my breath on this one.

Honestly, having driven one, I don't know how it could get much worse.

Originally Posted by Twinz

I remember the discussions on the Z forums back when I drove a 350Z and was more active in the online Z community...

The majority wanted what amounted to a Floridian snow man.

1 More power
2 Less weight
3 About ten-grand cheaper.

The first two would suffice.

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Point is, anything exciting and innovative died a while ago in the nissan brand. Every now and then a neat concept comes out but their current stable is a snoozefest save the GTR, which is great, but long overdue for a changeup.

I'm not going to try and defend Nissan here but lets be honest. This is almost every auto manufacturer lately. They all make their money selling boring appliances to non-enthusiasts. The simple act of saying the cars are "sporty" is more important than if they actually are. Look no farther than that "grounded to the ground" drivel that Toyota was putting out about the Camry a few years back. Now they have an 86 they could actually market that way and other than a short drifting ad, they haven't done anything. Heck, that one might have even been a Subaru ad. I don't remember for sure.

[Spawn_Of_Creation]

Originally Posted by Twinz

1 More power
2 Less weight
3 About ten-grand cheaper.

Pick 2 with the 3rd Inverse.