Alignment after getting new tires, was this even necessary?(Pic included) - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Alfrz91 · 02-19-2018, 08:10 PM

Slapped some new tires on and they recommended an alignment. My old tires wore extremely evenly, but I figured what the hey, new tires, don't wanna cheap out here. When the alignment report came back though... (which I'm just now taking a peek at when I got home) feel like they should've just said, nah you're good.

What do you think?

CoolHandMoss · 02-19-2018, 08:35 PM

You should have gotten them to match the driver's side camber to the passnger's side while they did it to make it worth while.

At least they fixed the front toe up.

But yeah, wasn't worth doing. There was no indication that the alignment was off to begin with and they were just drumming up business.

strat61caster · 02-19-2018, 09:07 PM

Depends on what they charged and how much you care about the nitty gritty of how your car performs. I'd be totally satisfied to spend $100 on that alignment, much more and it'd be a ripoff. But I care about how the car is aligned to an insane amount, if it was a commuter car then yeah I'd feel like I wasted some time/money.

Also your shop is lazy for not measuring caster.

jbailey8748 · 02-20-2018, 10:36 AM

They might have got one over on you there. There's only so much that can be done on stock parts and that rear right being different than the left camber is pretty normal. They don't check it with you in it and when you sit in it it may be closer to even. .13 front right toe isn't a big deal but being even is always better.

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jasonojordan · 02-20-2018, 11:08 AM

They did get rid of your toe as pointed out. But yea more or less waist of money. I would of asked them to add some camber to the front and match the front left and right but it is what it is.

This is why I don't take my car to chain stores...

wparsons · 02-20-2018, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoolHandMoss

You should have gotten them to match the driver's side camber to the passnger's side while they did it to make it worth while.

At least they fixed the front toe up.

But yeah, wasn't worth doing. There was no indication that the alignment was off to begin with and they were just drumming up business.

Camber isn't adjustable with stock parts, so there's nothing they could've done to even out the camber at all.

Racecomp Engineering · 02-20-2018, 11:39 AM

I'd be disappointed in that alignment, but that's just me.

- Andrew

finch1750 · 02-20-2018, 12:19 PM

Does the shop offer a warranty of any kind? I would take it back til they fixed my rear toe too.

Teseo · 02-20-2018, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racecomp Engineering

I'd be disappointed in that alignment, but that's just me.

- Andrew

Its posible you can lrovide "ideal" alignment picture like op? With that i can bring it to my tech so he can work to achieve such numbers

ZDan · 02-20-2018, 12:32 PM

If you get a generic alignment for a car, you cannot expect them to do *anything* more than get you "all green".

More people need to be aware that:
1. You don't need an alignment with new tires
2. Factory adjustments on this car are limited to front and rear toe
3. Factory specs are a very broad range

If you're getting a generic alignment on this car, you should not be paying much for it because you won't be getting much *if anything* out of it.

finch1750 · 02-20-2018, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZDan

If you get a generic alignment for a car, you cannot expect them to do *anything* more than get you "all green".

More people need to be aware that:
1. You don't need an alignment with new tires
2. Factory adjustments on this car are limited to front and rear toe
3. Factory specs are a very broad range

If you're getting a generic alignment on this car, you should not be paying much for it because you won't be getting much *if anything* out of it.

Depending on the shop, asking for a certain spec like 0 toe sometimes goes a long way to get better the -.08 and .1 side to side though.

But is very tech/shop dependent so YMMV, but it never hurts to ask

Racecomp Engineering · 02-20-2018, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teseo

Its posible you can lrovide "ideal" alignment picture like op? With that i can bring it to my tech so he can work to achieve such numbers

A good alignment is driver and car dependent. This requires a good shop.

But for a completely stock 86, there aren't a lot of adjustments to make. Just zero the toe to make things simple.

- Andrew

CoolHandMoss · 02-20-2018, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wparsons

Camber isn't adjustable with stock parts, so there's nothing they could've done to even out the camber at all.

I realize. But it can be made that way. But that's not what the question was about.

Alfrz91 · 02-20-2018, 03:45 PM

Thanks for all the replies, the car IS entirely stock and it was from a dealership. Normally I wouldn't have even gotten the alignment but the tech seemed like a solid cut and I actually came back to look it up while they were putting the tires on and I found a few recommendations for it. All that being said, I'm very far from being an expert but I've seen alignment reports before and this just seems like such a waste of money/ time for an incredibly small gain... if any. I've no problem going back and having them take another crack at it/refund (if it does in fact seem like they shouldn't have done it/known better/done more/etc), as in my experiences any place that works on a car will always try to make it right if they can.

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CoolHandMoss Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Drives: 2013 FRS Location: VA Posts: 305 Thanks: 1 Thanked 87 Times in 55 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	You should have gotten them to match the driver's side camber to the passnger's side while they did it to make it worth while. At least they fixed the front toe up. But yeah, wasn't worth doing. There was no indication that the alignment was off to begin with and they were just drumming up business.

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jasonojordan Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: 2013 satin white brz limited Location: Cottage Grove MN Posts: 1,049 Thanks: 162 Thanked 511 Times in 326 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	They did get rid of your toe as pointed out. But yea more or less waist of money. I would of asked them to add some camber to the front and match the front left and right but it is what it is. This is why I don't take my car to chain stores...

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ZDan Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: '23 BRZ Location: Providence, RI Posts: 4,671 Thanks: 1,437 Thanked 4,011 Times in 2,097 Posts Mentioned: 85 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	If you get a generic alignment for a car, you cannot expect them to do anything more than get you "all green". More people need to be aware that: 1. You don't need an alignment with new tires 2. Factory adjustments on this car are limited to front and rear toe 3. Factory specs are a very broad range If you're getting a generic alignment on this car, you should not be paying much for it because you won't be getting much if anything out of it.

02-20-2018, 03:45 PM	#14
Alfrz91 Member Join Date: May 2016 Drives: 13 Scion Frs Location: Orlando Posts: 50 Thanks: 7 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Thanks for all the replies, the car IS entirely stock and it was from a dealership. Normally I wouldn't have even gotten the alignment but the tech seemed like a solid cut and I actually came back to look it up while they were putting the tires on and I found a few recommendations for it. All that being said, I'm very far from being an expert but I've seen alignment reports before and this just seems like such a waste of money/ time for an incredibly small gain... if any. I've no problem going back and having them take another crack at it/refund (if it does in fact seem like they shouldn't have done it/known better/done more/etc), as in my experiences any place that works on a car will always try to make it right if they can.

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