Does any UEL come close to the Ace header gains? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

mistople · 01-08-2018, 11:22 PM

I'm personally not a fan of the EL sound, but was hoping to get in the mid 190's on a NA/91 setup. E85 isn't really available in the Seattle area, unfortunately.

Would any UEL + OP/FP + tune setup get me in that ballpark? I know they are just numbers..+30ish gains are really all I care about. My understanding so far is that it would be closer to +20 on average.

Teseo · 01-08-2018, 11:43 PM

Maybe with JDL combo

Trueweltall · 01-09-2018, 08:27 AM

Tomei/Gruppe-s UEL can probably get you there. The price premium for ACE just isn't worth it for most people.

FRStevan · 01-09-2018, 11:52 AM

+1 for JDL header op/fp combo

mistople · 01-09-2018, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trueweltall

Tomei/Gruppe-s UEL can probably get you there. The price premium for ACE just isn't worth it for most people.

What are the car's specs here? What tune?

Any idea what the baseline was?

jasonojordan · 01-09-2018, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistople

What are the car's specs here? What tune?

Any idea what the baseline was?

Dont forget this is still also a dynojet...highest reading dyno's of them all.

gtengr · 01-09-2018, 05:45 PM

The price premium isn't that much imo. The CS400 is ~$300 more than the JDL header+overpipe.

mistople · 01-09-2018, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonojordan

Dont forget this is still also a dynojet...highest reading dyno's of them all.

Yeah. I only really care about the delta

strat61caster · 01-09-2018, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtengr

The price premium isn't that much imo. The CS400 is ~$300 more than the JDL header+overpipe.

+ecutek+delicious tune
That's a $2.3k setup by my count.

http://counterspacegarage.com/ace-cs...tune-gt86.html
http://counterspacegarage.com/ecutek...nse-cable.html

Edit: the following is based off my misinterpretation of CSGs graphs and isn't really all that valid. It's clarified on post 41 what this graph actually means. The below is left for posterity of preserving my original comments.

Mike posted an ACE vs OFT+OFH chart, at less than half the price you're looking at being down ~5hp peak and a lot of area under the curve (OP is only concerned with pump gas), whether it's worth more than $1k is up to the individual.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=32

Probably not for a lot of people, especially if UEL noise is a priority.
I sure am glad someone is pushing the boundaries though.

Breadman · 01-09-2018, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster

+ecutek+delicious tune
That's a $2.3k setup by my count.

http://counterspacegarage.com/ace-cs...tune-gt86.html
http://counterspacegarage.com/ecutek...nse-cable.html

Mike posted an ACE vs OFT+OFH chart, at less than half the price you're looking at being down ~5hp peak and a lot of area under the curve (OP is only concerned with pump gas), whether it's worth more than $1k is up to the individual.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...2&postcount=32

Probably not for a lot of people, especially if UEL noise is a priority.
I sure am glad someone is pushing the boundaries though.

thats at peak homie. look midrange its around 15 there. then if you are supercharging it it will be even more

Detroiter · 01-09-2018, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breadman

thats at peak homie. look midrange its around 15 there. then if you are supercharging it it will be even more

If you are adding the forced induction fact into there then the JDL turbo kit is far cheaper and arguably better than an ACE header with any supercharger with the GT or GTX turbo upgrade. Depending on the goals of the car of course.

gtengr · 01-09-2018, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strat61caster

+ecutek+delicious tune
That's a $2.3k setup by my count.

I was just looking at the hardware. There are Ace-specific vvt tables available for the OFT.

Impureclient · 01-09-2018, 09:25 PM

$475 Gruppe-s UEL and $300 OFT from classifieds = 1/3 the cost of Ace/ecutek/tune and close enough because 10HP isn't worth $1500 more.
That extra $1.5k will get a final drive swap done with money left over for other fun stuff and it will be enjoyed more than having a 200HP dyno to brag about.

strat61caster · 01-09-2018, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breadman

thats at peak homie. look midrange its around 15 there. then if you are supercharging it it will be even more

Literally in the post you quoted:

"~5hp peak and a lot of area under the curve"

01-08-2018, 11:22 PM	#1
mistople Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Drives: 2017 BRZ (Sold), 2023 GR86 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 618 Thanks: 376 Thanked 433 Times in 216 Posts Mentioned: 8 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Does any UEL come close to the Ace header gains? I'm personally not a fan of the EL sound, but was hoping to get in the mid 190's on a NA/91 setup. E85 isn't really available in the Seattle area, unfortunately. Would any UEL + OP/FP + tune setup get me in that ballpark? I know they are just numbers..+30ish gains are really all I care about. My understanding so far is that it would be closer to +20 on average.

01-09-2018, 08:27 AM	#3
Trueweltall Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Drives: 2016 Subaru BRZ Location: Florida Posts: 394 Thanks: 91 Thanked 195 Times in 115 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Tomei/Gruppe-s UEL can probably get you there. The price premium for ACE just isn't worth it for most people. Last edited by Trueweltall; 01-09-2018 at 01:03 PM.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Header to make gains / improve torque with SC?	empower-auto	Forced Induction	8	12-19-2019 12:42 AM
FS: UEL Tomei Header + OFT - SOLD please close	Sstay	Engine, Exhaust, Bolt-Ons	8	08-07-2016 01:45 AM
(Close)WTB:Aus GT Black interior(Close)	Ry.ruzn	Want-To-Buy Requests	0	04-20-2016 02:55 AM
How close is too close?: Gap between tire & spring perch	kodyo	Suspension \| Chassis \| Brakes -- Sponsored by 949 Racing	17	09-20-2015 02:32 PM
Possible whp gains	kjdd787	Engine, Exhaust, Transmission	59	01-02-2014 12:59 PM

01-08-2018, 11:43 PM	#2
Teseo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Drives: frs Location: Gunsai Posts: 4,953 Thanks: 7,466 Thanked 2,980 Times in 1,802 Posts Mentioned: 23 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Maybe with JDL combo

01-09-2018, 11:52 AM	#4
FRStevan Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Drives: 2013 Scion FRS Location: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada Posts: 65 Thanks: 9 Thanked 6 Times in 6 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	+1 for JDL header op/fp combo

01-09-2018, 05:45 PM	#7
gtengr Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Drives: 2017 BRZ Location: USA Posts: 655 Thanks: 326 Thanked 258 Times in 177 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The price premium isn't that much imo. The CS400 is ~$300 more than the JDL header+overpipe.

01-09-2018, 09:25 PM	#13
Impureclient Banned Join Date: May 2015 Drives: 2015 FR-S Location: NPR, Florida Posts: 2,404 Thanks: 1,802 Thanked 2,903 Times in 1,282 Posts Mentioned: 25 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	$475 Gruppe-s UEL and $300 OFT from classifieds = 1/3 the cost of Ace/ecutek/tune and close enough because 10HP isn't worth $1500 more. That extra $1.5k will get a final drive swap done with money left over for other fun stuff and it will be enjoyed more than having a 200HP dyno to brag about.

User Name		Remember Me?
Password