which brake pads?

[JoeBoxer]

Originally Posted by ultra

Tried Hawk HP+ on my car and found that they wprked well on track but were very grabby, dusty, noisy and ate rotors on the street.

Based on that, IMO for a dual use pad, rotor friendliness is a critical thing to look at.

Ferodo DS2500s all around seem to be an interesting option...but impossibke to find rears for my lower-spec car which uses 2008 WRX rear calipers.

the Endless MX72s (on the Essex site) also look promising but unsure about availability for OEM calipers.

Open to suggestions...!

I'm going to try the AP S100's when i do my brakes in the spring, not sure if they have a rear for that fitment either though. What about Project Mu?

I haven't seen anybody running EBC either, i guess there is a reason for that.

[JRitt]

Originally Posted by ft_sjo

Hi there. Could you confirm if the part numbers i've got here of FCP1639 and FCP4187 are correct for DS2500's?

Yes, those are the correct part numbers front and rear.

[JRitt]

Originally Posted by ironchef

I would agree in normal circumstances, but are the rears going to be a limited production run? Based on a lot of comments in this thread, the Ferodos are really highly rated and many people seem anxious to get them. Why wouldn't they produce them in high quantities?

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On the front vs. rear price issue...this is fairly common with larger pad manufacturers. They buy the components to make their various pads from different sources. A lot of times it comes down to backing plates. They may be the OEM pad supplier on a model that sells 100,000 cars per year. In that case, backing plates are likely cheap and cheerful. If they are only going to sell a few hundred sets per year, that is a far different situation. It may be difficult for them to even have a backing plate manufacturer make the plates! In that case, they may have to custom laser cut or water jet cut backing plates from other existing shapes.

"High quantities" is a relative term. Our idea of a high volume is likely far different from their idea of a high volume.

Also, because the volumes are far lower, production for racing pads is sometimes done in a special "race shop," rather than the main production line. They require special handling and higher production costs.

For all of these reasons, costs can sometimes be higher for a new shape, or a rear vs. a front, etc. It all boils down to their cost, which they have to cover and make their target profit. It's a completely variable cost, based on a long list of items.

On the FT86, the fronts were already a common shape currently being produced by most pad manufacturers. That made it easy. The rear however, was more rare.

[JRitt]

Originally Posted by ultra

Tried Hawk HP+ on my car and found that they wprked well on track but were very grabby, dusty, noisy and ate rotors on the street.

Based on that, IMO for a dual use pad, rotor friendliness is a critical thing to look at.

Ferodo DS2500s all around seem to be an interesting option...but impossibke to find rears for my lower-spec car which uses 2008 WRX rear calipers.

the Endless MX72s (on the Essex site) also look promising but unsure about availability for OEM calipers.

Open to suggestions...!

Ultra,
I checked on this for you. The CL Brakes RC5+ would probably be a good choice for you as a dual-use pad. We can get them in the standard OEM FT86 front, and the 2008 WRX rear shape.

They will make a little noise on the street, but they can take a solid beat-down. About a third of the way down this page you can see them on track in a fast Lancer Evo.

If you wanted to take a step further towards more track-oriented, the CL Brakes RC6E compound is an option. We have that compound in both shapes as well. They would be tougher on discs and noisier though.

As you said, Endless MX72 is an option as well. They would possibly be a little easier on discs when driven cold on the street. I talked to Endless, and they gave me the part#'s for the lower spec FT86 brake pad shapes (the RA model):
Front pads: EP386
Rear pads: EP418

On the higher spec model (standard in the USA):
Endless front: EP386 (same as RA model)
Endless rear: EP472

So...another confirmation that the front caliper pad shape is the same on all FT86 models...just the rears are a bit different.
Let us know if we can help.:happy0180:

[james23]

I use Carbotech XP8 as it is good for racing compounds. It is Good initial bite at race temperatures, high coefficient of friction, excellent modulation and release characteristics. Very high fade resistance and very rotor friendly. Excellent as a front brake pad for lighter applications. It is Perfect for track day use with any tire and can still be driven safely to and from the track. But a problem of noise I have to face.

[ASSALBERT]

Originally Posted by JRitt

Ultra,
I checked on this for you. The CL Brakes RC5+ would probably be a good choice for you as a dual-use pad. We can get them in the standard OEM FT86 front, and the 2008 WRX rear shape.

They will make a little noise on the street, but they can take a solid beat-down. About a third of the way down this page you can see them on track in a fast Lancer Evo.

If you wanted to take a step further towards more track-oriented, the CL Brakes RC6E compound is an option. We have that compound in both shapes as well. They would be tougher on discs and noisier though.

As you said, Endless MX72 is an option as well. They would possibly be a little easier on discs when driven cold on the street. I talked to Endless, and they gave me the part#'s for the lower spec FT86 brake pad shapes (the RA model):
Front pads: EP386
Rear pads: EP418

On the higher spec model (standard in the USA):
Endless front: EP386 (same as RA model)
Endless rear: EP472

So...another confirmation that the front caliper pad shape is the same on all FT86 models...just the rears are a bit different.
Let us know if we can help.:happy0180:

Jeff, I am thinking about trying the RC5+ compound but was wondering what other pads on the market these would compare to? Also, considering these pads are sintered, will there be an issue of the brake dust corroding/welding itself onto my wheels?

[LudwigMiles]

I need new pads (and maybe rotors).

I am fine with stock pads.
I might do one track day a year, so this is just for DD use.
I don't really want race pads or any performance upgrade.

Do you guys buy basic parts stuff at the dealer?

For my other cars, I never buy parts at the dealer. (ripoff)
I also don't buy parts from auto parts stores (Duralast, etc)
Instead, I buy from online vendors like FCPEuro that sell OE branded parts like Sachs, Lemforder, Mahle, Seimens/VDO, etc.

Is there something like that for Subaru?

[Teseo]

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

I need new pads (and maybe rotors).

I am fine with stock pads.
I might do one track day a year, so this is just for DD use.
I don't really want race pads or any performance upgrade.

Do you guys buy basic parts stuff at the dealer?

For my other cars, I never buy parts at the dealer. (ripoff)
I also don't buy parts from auto parts stores (Duralast, etc)
Instead, I buy from online vendors like FCPEuro that sell OE branded parts like Sachs, Lemforder, Mahle, Seimens/VDO, etc.

Is there something like that for Subaru?

Watch "Toyota 86 Brake Upgrade Install" on YouTube

[CounterSpace Garage]

Originally Posted by LudwigMiles

I need new pads (and maybe rotors).

I am fine with stock pads.
I might do one track day a year, so this is just for DD use.
I don't really want race pads or any performance upgrade.

Do you guys buy basic parts stuff at the dealer?

For my other cars, I never buy parts at the dealer. (ripoff)
I also don't buy parts from auto parts stores (Duralast, etc)
Instead, I buy from online vendors like FCPEuro that sell OE branded parts like Sachs, Lemforder, Mahle, Seimens/VDO, etc.

Is there something like that for Subaru?

If you have questions regarding brake pads, we have one of the most extensive backgrounds in testing and working with a variety of brake pad manufacturers and applications. Depending on what your car is setup with and how it will be used is a more important aspect of what to choose for your application. Thanks!

[Dawan]

I am using Project Mu HC800s, while I like the bite of the pads, I seem to go through them way too quickly. In 3-4 track days or so, the pads will be cooked and have very little material left. (Im on oem brakes) Is there a recommendation on longer lasting pads that I can daily as well?

[Icecreamtruk]

Originally Posted by Dawan

I am using Project Mu HC800s, while I like the bite of the pads, I seem to go through them way too quickly. In 3-4 track days or so, the pads will be cooked and have very little material left. (Im on oem brakes) Is there a recommendation on longer lasting pads that I can daily as well?

I have only tried Hawk pads well enough (easy, cheap and fast to get around here). The DTC-60, while its a race pad, can be used daily, it will be a bit harder on rotors, but rotors should still last you as much as pads (cheap blanks, nothing fancy). My DTC-60s can do 5-8 track days depending on the tracks Im doing before they get too thin for my liking, then I keep them as "spare" pads. I just did another 2 days on a "spare" set before they got to the metal backing plate, so to be safe I'd say 6-9 track days, averaging 2 hours of track each day, + a couple of months of daily.

I wouldnt recommend hybrid pads (DTC-30 or Street/Race for example), because while they might work, they last a lot less than race pads when used on track.

[LudwigMiles]

Originally Posted by Teseo

Watch "Toyota 86 Brake Upgrade Install" on YouTube

Thanks. That was a nicely produced video.
But, I'm not looking to do upgrades, and just want OEM equiv.

Looks like Amazon is an option.
They sell Wagner, ACDelco, Akebono, and Centric. (And Hawk)
I believe all are reputable brands.

RockAuto sells Centric, Raybestos, Wagner, ACDelco, PowerStop, etc.

The point is, there seems to be non-dealer options.

[Dawan]

Originally Posted by Icecreamtruk

I have only tried Hawk pads well enough (easy, cheap and fast to get around here). The DTC-60, while its a race pad, can be used daily, it will be a bit harder on rotors, but rotors should still last you as much as pads (cheap blanks, nothing fancy). My DTC-60s can do 5-8 track days depending on the tracks Im doing before they get too thin for my liking, then I keep them as "spare" pads. I just did another 2 days on a "spare" set before they got to the metal backing plate, so to be safe I'd say 6-9 track days, averaging 2 hours of track each day, + a couple of months of daily.

I wouldnt recommend hybrid pads (DTC-30 or Street/Race for example), because while they might work, they last a lot less than race pads when used on track.

Do they squeal like crazy? I have friends on that type of caliber of pad, Endless ME22/20 and the ME20s squeal like crazy on the street basically no matter how much brakes have been applied. I can handle minor squeal at low to medium brake pressure like the HC800s on the street.

[Icecreamtruk]

Originally Posted by Dawan

Do they squeal like crazy? I have friends on that type of caliber of pad, Endless ME22/20 and the ME20s squeal like crazy on the street basically no matter how much brakes have been applied. I can handle minor squeal at low to medium brake pressure like the HC800s on the street.

It depends. Right after a track day, they dont squeal at all. But as you use them on the street the become louder as the days pass. After two weeks, they are on full blast mode. The squeal is mainly with light/moderate pressure, but applying hard pressure to make them quiet might have the side effect of people ramming into you and your face meeting the wheel, as they bite quite hard, even when cold.