GT vs GTS - help me decide

[Blur GT]

6K from the GT to the GTS doesn't sound like that much, but on a car like this its nearly 18% price difference. I went for the GT cause the lighter weight and lower price means the money saved will go a long way to some wheels, suspension or other mods. Would have liked the digital speed display for convenience, but that alone is not a deal breaker!

[m0nty]

Originally Posted by Blur GT

6K from the GT to the GTS doesn't sound like that much, but on a car like this its nearly 18% price difference. I went for the GT cause the lighter weight and lower price means the money saved will go a long way to some wheels, suspension or other mods. Would have liked the digital speed display for convenience, but that alone is not a deal breaker!

I'd like to see comparisons because apart from brakes and wheels I have no idea where this claimed extra 30kg comes from. I wonder if 1,230kg is for the GTS auto. I reckon there would be less than 15kg between the GT and GTS and most of that is wheels.

[os86]

Originally Posted by m0nty

I'd like to see comparisons because apart from brakes and wheels I have no idea where this claimed extra 30kg comes from. I wonder if 1,230kg is for the GTS auto. I reckon there would be less than 15kg between the GT and GTS and most of that is wheels.

maybe its the seat warmers ...lol

[450hp/tonne]

To repeat an earlier post:

Originally Posted by 450hp/tonne

Please note that all 4 calipers, rotors and even pads are different between GT and GTS. The biggest issue will be the larger diameter front rotors (GT:277mm vs GTS:294mm).
You will also find the ride and handling performance is reduced (16" tyre has a stiffer sidewall [despite higher profile] and stiffer ride), so might want to test drive both to see if that upsets you.

[Blur GT]

I must say im only going off quoted numbers regarding weight. I will corner weigh my car as soon as its in my possession, but surely the dual climate control, seats with heaters and the wheels (16s vs 17s) are the main weight adders. Wouldnt think satnav, headlights and smart entry to make any difference.

[os86]

Originally Posted by Blur GT

I must say im only going off quoted numbers regarding weight. I will corner weigh my car as soon as its in my possession, but surely the dual climate control, seats with heaters and the wheels (16s vs 17s) are the main weight adders. Wouldnt think satnav, headlights and smart entry to make any difference.

I am also sure that the GTS comes with the 17inch spare as opposed to a spacesaver / steelie for the GT which does add extra weight

Originally Posted by Nafe

GT calipers and pads are the same as GTS, just the rotors are slightly smaller.
You will notice very little difference on track I imagine, and even less on road. ANd the GT is lighter anyway.
AFAIK the rotors should be a direct bolt on anyway. Wear out GT rotors and then replace with GTS rotors.

hi how reliable it's this info, from toyota tech or something as the brake difference is the only reason for me to go from gts to gt, everything else I can do without

[fuddbutter]

Yeah the GTS has a full size spare.

my first mod will be to put that in the garage and put some tyre in a can in the boot..
then i can put a FG sub box in the spare wheel well..

Originally Posted by 450hp/tonne

To repeat an earlier post:

I was wandering how you can get 277 and 294mm rotors to fit
the same calipers

[Captain Snooze]

I have inquired about fitting GTS brakes to a GT. I enjoy braking more than accelerating. I was going to fit 2 piece rotors to the front anyway and vented discs at the rear then I received this pdf from the local dealership. All the prices are acceptable to me except for the "H/U ASSY VDC". I don't even know what that is. I am now thinking of buying a 2nd hand Elise instead.

Originally Posted by Nafe

AFAIK the rotors should be a direct bolt on anyway. Wear out GT rotors and then replace with GTS rotors.

You will need to move the brake pads further out some how. Either by fitting new calipers or new brackets/mounts that fit between the hub and the caliper. You can't fit larger diameter rotors and not move the caliper.

Originally Posted by Nafe

You will notice very little difference on track I imagine, and even less on road. ANd the GT is lighter anyway.

You have tested both versions?

[Nafe]

Thanks mate, I was told by a Toyota employee, but not parts. I was actually going to make an enquiry with parts tomorrow, but now no need
My previous statement was incorrect, my apologies

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by m0nty

and wheels I have no idea where this claimed extra 30kg comes from. I wonder if 1,230kg is for the GTS auto. I reckon there would be less than 15kg between the GT and GTS and most of that is wheels.

Who has claimed 30 kgs? Toyota Australia's website says 18 kgs difference for the manuals.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Nafe

Thanks mate, I was told by a Toyota employee, but not parts. I was actually going to make an enquiry with parts tomorrow, but now no need
My previous statement was incorrect, my apologies

No worries. After so many theories,guesses and interwebbing getting concrete information is slowly becoming available.

Even if I subtract the price of discs and pads (which I would source, maybe with a little cream, tarragon and nutmeg) that VDC unit puts it way over what I am willing to spend just on brakes. Yes, I could go the GTS route but then I am ending up with stuff I dont want/need.

[Captain Snooze]

I had sent an email to Kenneth at Toyota Belconnen, ACT after receiving that pdf:
"Hi Kenneth,
Thank you very much for your quick email.
As I was looking at the prices I was thinking "good, good, acceptable" then I nearly fainted when I saw the price of the "H/U assy VDC". Could you please tell me what this is? Google was not able to help me.

With thanks,
B."

I have just received a reply mail.
"Good Morning B,
This is the upgraded VDC ( Vehicle Directional Control ) brake actuator – to suit Auto Transmission, the VDC to suit Manual Transmission is in pdf quote attached to this email.


Regards

Ken Lee
Canberra Toyota"

Then this:
"Hello B,

I have had another look at more parts required for the upgrade to premium brake system on base 86 Toyota, maybe abs computer is different, I could not find one in E/P/C, other issues could come into play as well, will the wheels have to be 17” or 16 “ ? Does base model have correct wiring loom for this upgrade ? as is new model our service department would still be in process of training technicians to work on this car, labor costs ? Hope this proves useful in you making correct judgment call on this one or maybe exploring possibility of purchasing upgrade model with all premium brakes system etc installed .

Regards,
Kenneth."

Mmmmmm... not looking good.