200hp / 2700lbs - Really?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

Sports cars have been dieing off at a very rapid pace over the last 3 decades.

Up until this mini resurgence of the Z and RX-8 (which are currently being discussed as not being renewed at the end of their run) there were no Japanese sports cars other than the Miata. Since the pony car era almost all of the mainstream sports cars have disappeared with the exception of the corvette, mustang, & the miata. The camaro and challenger are back, but they aren't selling well so who knows how long they will last.

The thunderbird, probe, charger, 'cuda, cougar, monte carlo, 442, supra, RX-7, 3000 gt, celica, mr-2, 240 sx, prelude, integra, and several more that I can't think of are all gone. The sports car is dieing which is why it is important for Toyota to get this one right so that there are cars that appeal to enthusiasts like us.

You are not an enthusiast like us. You are here trying to convince yourself to not buy this car because it will be slower in a straight line than V6 family sedans.

You don't get this car. You are not like us.

My current sports car is not slower in a straight line than V6 family sedans, nor even than lightly modded previous-gen Mustang GTs. So why am I interested in this car?

[matadormi5]

Originally Posted by tachi1247

Sports cars have been dieing off at a very rapid pace over the last 3 decades.
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1) Sports cars in their current form. As I was saying, the FT-86 is a new breed of sports car (which just so happens to be the essence of the classic which it is inspired by, the AE86)

2) Then why would Toyota want to produce a car that will compete with a breed that is dying off?

[Riden86]

If ft86 has it own segment and has no competition, so what do you think if it turn to be 170 hp rwd car with >2800 lb and sale at 25K?

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by Riden86

If ft86 has it own segment and has no competition, so what do you think if it turn to be 170 hp rwd car with >2800 lb and sale at 25K?

A failure since you took away everything that made it its own segment. (light weight, driver focused RWD entry sports car)

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

A failure since you took away everything that made it its own segment. (light weight, driver focused RWD entry sports car)

LMAO Amen

[Riden86]

Originally Posted by Mr.Jay

A failure since you took away everything that made it its own segment. (light weight, driver focused RWD entry sports car)

But 2800 lb less weight than 370z about 500 lb, can it be "light weight"?
25k also cheaper than 370z, can it be entry sport car?
170 hp also more powerful than base Impressa 150 hp.
Why can't this car to be a light weight, driver focused RWD entry sports car?

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by Riden86

But 2800 lb less weight than 370z about 500 lb, can it be "light weight"?
25k also cheaper than 370z, can it be entry sport car?
170 hp also more powerful than base Impressa 150 hp.
Why can't this car to be a light weight, driver focused RWD entry sports car?

There's so many thing to flame, but I dib on Impreza one
150hp & 170hp? Where did you get that hp? It's gonna be using current FB engine, so it's gonna have more than that. Even they didn't use FB engine, Subaru did make NA 2L that's pressing 190hp (EJ204). Please don't put BS numbers.

edit: Also it's not Impressa. It's Impreza!
Impressa is this

[Riden86]

I don't known much about Subaru, just google it.
190 hp. Very powerful. So engine of ft-86 will have at lease 190 hp right?

[Snaps]

^ Well that's what we're all guessing....

Examples:

Honda got over 220hp from 2.0L in the S2000 (Early - Mid 2000's?)
Mistubishi got 197hp from the FTO 2.0L V6 (in the mid 1990's)

And there are probably a heap of other examples we could use, but I can't think of any others (without putting in effort XD) at the moment.

I REALLY don't think 200hp is too much to ask from this, I don't even think 215hp is too much to ask - remember, this engine is expected to have both Port and Direct Injection (IIRC it's D4-S?), which should raise the torque output and therefore raise the power output...

[Riden86]

I see, even Honda has 240Hp engine but I don't know why this car was so expensive, 34K for small car that has just 240hp engine. Wish ft-86 cheaper than this, may be just 23k for 220hp and cannot open roof.

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by yarik83

You should not be driving a sport(y) vehicle if you want to save on gas. You need to be driving something like a prius.

I disagree. Every car is a compromise and there is nothing wrong with wanting something fun and reasonably fuel efficient.

Originally Posted by Batangpilipino

im thinking to buy the honda crz for daily but now that i heard the ft86 will be out soon so im kinda struggling whether to buy crz or juz wait for ft86.

CRZ = 2 seats, FWD, nose heavy. If you don't need more than two 2 seats, get a Miata (put a cargo rack on the trunk if you need to carry stuff).

Originally Posted by cyde01

nope, it was never claimed to have a rotary. it had the inline 4 mzr engine. zigzagz and i should know, before we were here we were members of the kabura forum lol

I was also on that forum. It's noteworthy that the Kabura was initially going to have a rotary, but Mazda switched to an MZR at the last minute. The Kabura (even as an MX3 rather than an updated RX3) was easily the most exciting near-production concept since the RX-01.

Originally Posted by Rickster

Well, here's my 2 cents, and please let me know your thoughts guys.. If this car ends up being 200hp, it would essentially be in a class verse the GTI, the Genesis Coupe 2.0T, and Miata. While that seems practical, I personally think (and HOPE), Toyota develops 2 motors for this vehicle. A 200hp motor, and a 250hp motor. I feel if Toyota does this, they can compete in 2 segments, the Miata/GTI/Genesis 2.0T, as well as the 370z, RX8, and Genesis V6.

As a cheap, lightweight, and low-volume spiritual successor to the AE86, the FT86 is likely to initially come out with one N/A engine and there's no reason to hope for 250 hp at launch (though a turbo may follow years later). IMO, 200 hp and 2700 pounds would be great.

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by Deslock

I disagree. Every car is a compromise and there is nothing wrong with wanting something fun and reasonably fuel efficient.

i dissagree with you here, you cant have something fun that is fuel efficient. if you think you can, name me one fun car (2 door rwd agile and reasonably fast) that is fuel efficient (<7L/100km)
then again if your idea of fun is 0-100 (kph) is 10 seconds, were on the wrong page.
also in regards to a prius, i am fairly sure that topgear did a prius at top speed around their track, followed by a M3 that matched the prius speed.. and the M3 was more fuel efficient.. so prius is only good while you grandma it.. after that it becomes a SUV (slow yet fuel guzzler)

[matadormi5]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

i dissagree with you here, you cant have something fun that is fuel efficient. if you think you can, name me one fun car (2 door rwd agile and reasonably fast) that is fuel efficient (<7L/100km)
then again if your idea of fun is 0-100 (kph) is 10 seconds, were on the wrong page.

You can definitely have a car that is fuel efficient and fun to drive. Currently not by your constraints of a 2-door RWD, but are those really the only way a car can be fun to drive?

I'm sure many people will argue that there are FF hot-hatches are fun to drive and can hit 60mph in around 6-7sec or less. They get pretty good fuel economy too and not just by sporty car standards.

When technology advances, which it always does, green-eco cars will become faster, lighter, and more enjoyable to drive. Also, those that are already fun to drive will become greener without sacrifice.

[Mouse]

miata = fun to drive, pretty good on gas, and RWD

Remember the saying..."It's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow"
With that said,"fun to drive" is subjective. For me "fun to drive" = driving a car at it's limit on turns and curvy roads(and no I'm not talking about drifting.)