1st G-force test of my 2017 BRZ.

[bentleyboii]

Originally Posted by thomasmryan

The dragon is full of asshats these days unless you go past midnight.

yup and past midnight theirs always police on every hidden bend

[bentleyboii]

Originally Posted by why?

that is just not true. There are some pretty awesome driving roads in the country. Some amazing scenery and nice twists and turns, and then whoops! a tiny town whose main street might be half a mile long and the speed limit goes down, and then back to middle of nowheresville. Fun stuff.

Guess I need to come out to Harnett county Because every road here is flat,half of them are rocks/dirt roads and theirs a cop behind every bush (if a bush has lights on top dont trust it ) but yeah their are some nice roads in nc their all just 3-5 hours from me lol

[cwvisual]

I tested this same thing in a smaller roundabout, at about the same speed haha. Lost traction as soon as I started going around and started sliding. It did snap back and forth when I corrected it, but I'm still amazed at this cars handling ability!


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[~el~jefe~]

Originally Posted by cwvisual

I tested this same thing in a smaller roundabout, at about the same speed haha. Lost traction as soon as I started going around and started sliding. It did snap back and forth when I corrected it, but I'm still amazed at this cars handling ability!


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Have to keep it in a high gear when you do. The torque is what makes the tires go out of control. Higher the gear the better and just hold it.

[Frenatardi]

This thread reminds me why rear/right tire gets bald earlier

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I feel bad for anybody running them IN winter!
They are not a snow tire and calling any tire "All Season" is bullshit

You are a bit out of date with this thinking. All season tires have taken a big leap forward in the last few years. The current DWS is an amazingly versatile tire. The predecessor was almost as good.

Actually, the DWS is quite competent in winter, just not on a BRZ. It is entirely feasible to run the DWS as an all weather tire all year. Nokian WR also but they are more oriented to winter capability then summer. Again, I would not put them on a BRZ.

The BRZ is comically incompetent in winter, although I will give it full marks for controllable slides with stability and traction control off. You are not likely to hit any guard rails assuming you know how to hang the tail out in the dry. With full winter tires on of course or you'll get nowhere.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by 2013dgmbrzdood

I feel sad for anyone running dws except during winter. They are not made with dry grip
in mind. While I've only had them on the outback Id bet money they diminish handling even over the stock primacy. Get a set of mps and I bet ya can do 8-10mph faster around that roundabout without your tires giving up.

You are out of date about the capabilities of all season tires. Since 2013 at least high performance all season tires are just that, and they work in cold weather also.

The BRZ just isn't very good in snow or on ice but it corners just fine on snow or ice. You just cannot get any power down. It's not the tires, it's the suspension geometry and the Torsen.

[Scrappydoo]

Originally Posted by ~el~jefe~

I drove out to the farther away beaches and lighthouse on this cold gray day with my girlfriend. As I was driving back, about to get onto the northern pointing parkways when I decided to test the grip and control of the car.

I took this turn at, when I looked down at the speedometer, 46 mph. Obviously stock with the performance package as well, for what it is worth here. I went around the needle on the inside circle.

I kept the rpm's quite low, at about 3400, only gasssing it to to 3900 out of the turn and then shifting to past 55 mph. It did this turn steady and smooth, minor amount of tire screech (just a tiny amount noticed). Traction control never came on, and when I turned right out of the turn quickly after a full 360, the car did not do what all other cars I have driven do, it did not snap back and forth. No motion, just redirected itself to where I went, no dramatics, no roll, no nothing.

this car is sick!

Gosh 55mph. And you survived to tell the tale.

And post.

With aerial pictures too.

Wow

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by ~el~jefe~

I drove out to the farther away beaches and lighthouse on this cold gray day with my girlfriend. As I was driving back, about to get onto the northern pointing parkways when I decided to test the grip and control of the car.

I took this turn at, when I looked down at the speedometer, 46 mph. Obviously stock with the performance package as well, for what it is worth here. I went around the needle on the inside circle.

I kept the rpm's quite low, at about 3400, only gasssing it to to 3900 out of the turn and then shifting to past 55 mph. It did this turn steady and smooth, minor amount of tire screech (just a tiny amount noticed). Traction control never came on, and when I turned right out of the turn quickly after a full 360, the car did not do what all other cars I have driven do, it did not snap back and forth. No motion, just redirected itself to where I went, no dramatics, no roll, no nothing.

this car is sick!

If you left the stability control on it isn't possible to snap the car out into a drift. There is supposed to be a new software version of VSC which does allow some oversteer angle before it intervenes. How was that? The old VSC just cuts the throttle and brakes a wheel before you get to any angle at all.

[new2subaru]

The difference between all season tires and a winter tire are night and day!

There's no one compound that will work well in all weather conditions, yet.

All seasons are a "you can get by with them" in winter tire.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Gforce

You are a bit out of date with this thinking. All season tires have taken a big leap forward in the last few years. The current DWS is an amazingly versatile tire. The predecessor was almost as good.

Actually, the DWS is quite competent in winter, just not on a BRZ. It is entirely feasible to run the DWS as an all weather tire all year. Nokia WR also but they are more oriented to winter capability then summer. Again, I would not put them on a BRZ.

The BRZ is comically incompetent in winter, although I will give it full marks for controllable slides with stability and traction control off. You are not likely to hit any guard rails assuming you know how to hang the tail out in the dry. With full winter tires on of course or you'll get nowhere.

And yet again here you go with the bad advice.
There is not an all season tire made that will compete with a proper winter tire. or will work well at any temperature below zero. Sure they are indeed better than they used to be but they are still way below dedicated winter tires (especially with ice).

The FRS is a tank in the snow or ice with proper winter tires. I put 1,000 kilometers a week on my FRS through the worst winter can throw at me and have not had a single incident. Not one. Traction control will save your ass in slippery conditions. Knowing how to hang the tail out in the dry will not help if you are sliding in the ice or snow no matter what you think your skills are.

People PLEASE do not listen to this joker! He will get you killed.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And yet again here you go with the bad advice.
There is not an all season tire made that will compete with a proper winter tire. or will work well at any temperature below zero. Sure they are indeed better than they used to be but they are still way below dedicated winter tires (especially with ice).

The FRS is a tank in the snow or ice with proper winter tires. I put 1,000 kilometers a week on my FRS through the worst winter can throw at me and have not had a single incident. Not one. Traction control will save your ass in slippery conditions. Knowing how to hang the tail out in the dry will not help if you are sliding in the ice or snow no matter what you think your skills are.

People PLEASE do not listen to this joker! He will get you killed.

You are mistaken. Tire engineering has moved on a long way since you formed your opinions. Indeed, even four years ago I would have argued as you do today. But you are now just wrong.

This chassis is pathetically incompetent in winter. The fact that you think otherwise confirms you do not know how to drive, in winter or summer. Everybody who knows anything about driving knows that this chassis is incompetent even in the wet, let alone actual snow. Relying on traction or stability control to "save your ass" as you so amusingly put it, reveals that you do not know enough about car control to be expressing such opinions.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8212

As for advocating killing yourself, well, we each have the ultimate responsibility to know our own limits. I know from your posts that I'm a better driver than you'll ever be. But, keep those sandbags in your trunk and do NOT disable your stability control,it might be dangerous ... for you.

[Gforce]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

The difference between all season tires and a winter tire are night and day!

There's no one compound that will work well in all weather conditions, yet.

All seasons are a "you can get by with them" in winter tire.

That is correct. But a skilled driver will have no difficulty getting by in winter with the newest all season or all weather tires. What needs to be kept in mind here is how bad full on winter tires are on bare road, especially if it isn't really cold out. You need to try the latest the tire companies are building. Here's an amazing tire yet to arrive here:

http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-crossclimate

Keep up with the technology, guys, please.

Braking performance of studless winter tires on bare pavement is very poor. Just for example.

Tires are a compromise no matter what. For many of us living in colder climates the new all season tires are just right.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Gforce

You are mistaken. Tire engineering has moved on a long way since you formed your opinions. Indeed, even four years ago I would have argued as you do today. But you are now just wrong.

This chassis is pathetically incompetent in winter. The fact that you think otherwise confirms you do not know how to drive, in winter or summer. Everybody who knows anything about driving knows that this chassis is incompetent even in the wet, let alone actual snow. Relying on traction or stability control to "save your ass" as you so amusingly put it, reveals that you do not know enough about car control to be expressing such opinions.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8212

As for advocating killing yourself, well, we each have the ultimate responsibility to know our own limits. I know from your posts that I'm a better driver than you'll ever be. But, keep those sandbags in your trunk and do NOT disable your stability control,it might be dangerous ... for you.

Originally Posted by Gforce

That is correct. But a skilled driver will have no difficulty getting by in winter with the newest all season or all weather tires. What needs to be kept in mind here is how bad full on winter tires are on bare road, especially if it isn't really cold out. You need to try the latest the tire companies are building. Here's an amazing tire yet to arrive here:

http://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-crossclimate

Keep up with the technology, guys, please.

Braking performance of studless winter tires on bare pavement is very poor. Just for example.

Tires are a compromise no matter what. For many of us living in colder climates the new all season tires are just right.

BULLSHIT> Loads and loads of it.
Go ahead guys follow his advice he is the expert and the rest of us just obviously don't have a clue.