Paddle Shifting

[VoltsFRS2013]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Yeah, no.... I understand how you are saying it. I don't think you know what CVT is, or what it means.

maybe i'm way off and or using the wrong acronym, my bad

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by VoltsFRS2013

Maybe you didn't read my post correctly or didn't understand what I was trying to say -- My family was under the assumption that because my vehicle has a way to shift the gears that it is CVT, and even though I told them it wasn't they were still under the impression that it harms the transmission just like CVT does.

They are wrong on both counts. A CVT tranny is not harmed in any way shape or form by using paddle shifters. I am baffled why they would even think that.

You can not harm the engine or transmission in your car by using paddle shifters. The rev limiter and the control unit will not let you do anything bad. No chance of a miss shift like on a MT since it simply will not shift down too far.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by VoltsFRS2013

maybe i'm way off and or using the wrong acronym, my bad

Continuously Variable Transmission. They are operated by a belt (or belts depending) that is sped up or slowed down by changing the position of the pullies. There are no gears in the traditional sense so it isn't really shifting at all. When paddles are used with a CVT all that happens is the pullies move to a set position and do not move again until you hit the paddle again.
Some CVTs (my wife's new Impreza) have artificial "shift points" that make it seem like there are gears even though there really is no practical need for them. Her last car (Outlander Sport) did not have shift points and the car just sped up evenly with the revs at a constant rate. Was a weird sensation that I never quite got used to. Probably why some have the fake shift points.

[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Yeah, no.... I understand how you are saying it. I don't think you know what CVT is, or what it means.

I think he just means his family assumes being able to select specific gears with an automatic means the car has a CVT. Probably because of the marketing hype around CVTs in the past, and paddle shifters were mentioned in those ads.

Basically vroom vroom commercials for fancy cars made some people equate paddle shifters with CVT.

Most people with automatics are just used to R, P, N, and D lol.

[VoltsFRS2013]

My bad for the confusion guys lol, but yeah it's good to know. I love the paddles, auto gets boring and the shift points in the auto are very awkward, there's times where i'll be in second and it wont shift until around 6k RPM (around 60mph most times)

[VoltsFRS2013]

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

I think he just means his family assumes being able to select specific gears with an automatic means the car has a CVT. Probably because of the marketing hype around CVTs in the past, and paddle shifters were mentioned in those ads.

Basically vroom vroom commercials for fancy cars made some people equate paddle shifters with CVT.

Most people with automatics are just used to R, P, N, and D lol.

exactly

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

I think he just means his family assumes being able to select specific gears with an automatic means the car has a CVT. Probably because of the marketing hype around CVTs in the past, and paddle shifters were mentioned in those ads.

Basically vroom vroom commercials for fancy cars made some people equate paddle shifters with CVT.

Most people with automatics are just used to R, P, N, and D lol.

Well some know L as well. Even the 2 speed Powerglde in my 64 Impala SS had L.

[VoltsFRS2013]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Continuously Variable Transmission. They are operated by a belt (or belts depending) that is sped up or slowed down by changing the position of the pullies. There are no gears in the traditional sense so it isn't really shifting at all. When paddles are used with a CVT all that happens is the pullies move to a set position and do not move again until you hit the paddle again.
Some CVTs (my wife's new Impreza) have artificial "shift points" that make it seem like there are gears even though there really is no practical need for them. Her last car (Outlander Sport) did not have shift points and the car just sped up evenly with the revs at a constant rate. Was a weird sensation that I never quite got used to. Probably why some have the fake shift points.

thank you for the info

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by VoltsFRS2013

My bad for the confusion guys lol, but yeah it's good to know. I love the paddles, auto gets boring and the shift points in the auto are very awkward, there's times where i'll be in second and it wont shift until around 6k RPM (around 60mph most times)

Ya the shift points are set up for fuel economy and at least the basic ability to keep up with normal traffic. They are not entertaining. If people with MTs turn on the shift indicator and follow it they would have no fun either though since it is also set up for economy.

[VoltsFRS2013]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ya the shift points are set up for fuel economy and at least the basic ability to keep up with normal traffic. They are not entertaining. If people with MTs turn on the shift indicator and follow it they would have no fun either though since it is also set up for economy.

You can adjust the shift indicator though, I set mine for 6500 RPM

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by VoltsFRS2013

You can adjust the shift indicator though, I set mine for 6500 RPM

Not the max the indicator that tells you when to shift. The MTs have a setting that blinks when you should shift. It is sort of like a game to hit it right on. I called it "Shift Hero" and it was very boring after about an hour.

[VoltsFRS2013]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Not the max the indicator that tells you when to shift. The MTs have a setting that blinks when you should shift. It is sort of like a game to hit it right on. I called it "Shift Hero" and it was very boring after about an hour.

Ahh, I never really noticed if the AT's version of that caps your RPM's at that number but I'm assuming by your post it does

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by VoltsFRS2013

Ahh, I never really noticed if the AT's version of that caps your RPM's at that number but I'm assuming by your post it does

It doesn't stop you shifting higher it just gives you warning you are up there. It will not let you rev over 7400 though. It is just an indicator and you could set it at 1000 if you wanted too.

[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Ya the shift points are set up for fuel economy and at least the basic ability to keep up with normal traffic. They are not entertaining. If people with MTs turn on the shift indicator and follow it they would have no fun either though since it is also set up for economy.

I would probably end up in a crash because I'd be too busy shifting back and forth constantly from following that eco shift indicator lol.

The only autos I've ever driven were family cars and yea I hated them. For the ones I drove, when it shifted was based on how much I was on the gas pedal. Putting my foot to the ground to try and switch lanes would make the car chug along for a second before dropping a gear and suddenly being in the upper RPMs. Same idea as manually dropping a gear for acceleration, except you didnt know exactly when that drop was going to happen.

Have fun with the paddles. The car will probably develop other issues in old age before the transmission dies from paddle usage.