Truth about turbo positioning

[_debo]

Originally Posted by weederr33

I believe they didn't offer a turbo due to heat issues, as well as wanting a more linear response. As well, I think the piping wouldn't fit for you right hand drive folks.

Piping can actually fit without issues, there are few kits available in UK sold by few well known tuners... maybe heating could be an issue yes because of the location positioning but then again, I didn't hear of many issues from the aforementioned kits. The only problem I have with those I found is that except one all the others seems to use almost unknown components... well at least for me.

[Teseo]

Man, if you live in Australia this guy can help you

[Stimmed]

Originally Posted by Teseo

Man, if you live in Australia this guy can help you

For sure he has his own bolt on kit for the 86/BRZ called the Coyoda Kit. Its a kit designed by him and Tony Young at Coyote Tuning. Very slick kit.

[_debo]

Originally Posted by Teseo

Man, if you live in Australia this guy can help you

I do but only temporarily, I will be going back to London in less than 3 months, but it's good to know that there are turbo kits ready for RHD which is what matters, if they export it would be bliss.

[_debo]

Originally Posted by Stimmed

For sure he has his own bolt on kit for the 86/BRZ called the Coyoda Kit. Its a kit designed by him and Tony Young at Coyote Tuning. Very slick kit.

I tried to have a look but damn, these guys need some help with their website... maybe I can help them with that :-)

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by _debo

I do but only temporarily, I will be going back to London in less than 3 months, but it's good to know that there are turbo kits ready for RHD which is what matters

Fensport sell the AVO kit. Tuning Developments in the north have their own kit based on the FA20Club kit and available in EL and UEL manifold configs. Abbey Motorsport have been looking at a turbo kit too. Many work with RHD. Plenty of options here in the UK if you want a turbo.

[_debo]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

Fensport sell the AVO kit. Tuning Developments in the north have their own kit based on the FA20Club kit and available in EL and UEL manifold configs. Abbey Motorsport have been looking at a turbo kit too. Many work with RHD. Plenty of options here in the UK if you want a turbo.

Thanks for the info, are those kit reliable? The AVO seems a bit on the cheap side and somewhere I did read mixed to bad opinion on FA20Club. Is that correct? Full blown and full race seem to be the same as TD so probably at that point is a matter of turbine manufacturer preference.

So far the kit that I really liked/loved are the Greddy and the Ptuning (sadly this one not available for RHD). Is Greddy available in UK?

Also who would be a recommended tuner in the area of London and surrounding (like up to 60 miles far) ?

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by _debo

I did read mixed to bad opinion on FA20Club. Is that correct?

TD's kit is made here by a good manufacturer, it's just the manifold is based on the FA20Club one. The rest of the kit is probably their own specs. Seems popular but they are in Warrington.

Originally Posted by _debo

Also who would be a recommended tuner in the area of London and surrounding (like up to 60 miles far) ?

Abbey are just outside the M25 on south of London (Oxted). Fensport are in Cambridgeshire IIRC.

[Spartarus]

Originally Posted by _debo

Thanks for the info, are those kit reliable? The AVO seems a bit on the cheap side and somewhere I did read mixed to bad opinion on FA20Club. Is that correct? Full blown and full race seem to be the same as TD so probably at that point is a matter of turbine manufacturer preference.

So far the kit that I really liked/loved are the Greddy and the Ptuning (sadly this one not available for RHD). Is Greddy available in UK?

Also who would be a recommended tuner in the area of London and surrounding (like up to 60 miles far) ?

The Greddy kit is a decent concept with miserable design and execution.

It turns the 5-minute belt replacement into a 5-hour affair that requires dismounting the turbo, replacing minimum 3 gaskets, and undoing no less than 19 fasteners, 15 of which are near impossible to get a wrench on, completely inaccessible with any torque wrench, and not recommended to be reused.

That's just the beginning of the problems with the Greddy kit... Assuming your charge piping doesn't rub through due to fouling and poor routing.

[_debo]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

Abbey are just outside the M25 on south of London (Oxted). Fensport are in Cambridgeshire IIRC.

I assume both very reputable, what was your experience with Abbey like? Do you think will both equally happy to provide a turbo corversion that it's not necessarily in their offering?

Originally Posted by Spartarus

The Greddy kit is a decent concept with miserable design and execution.

It turns the 5-minute belt replacement into a 5-hour affair that requires dismounting the turbo, replacing minimum 3 gaskets, and undoing no less than 19 fasteners, 15 of which are near impossible to get a wrench on, completely inaccessible with any torque wrench, and not recommended to be reused.

That's just the beginning of the problems with the Greddy kit... Assuming your charge piping doesn't rub through due to fouling and poor routing.

Ok, greddy is out of the equation then, thanks for the heads up :-)

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by _debo

What was your experience with Abbey like? Do you think will both equally happy to provide a turbo conversion that it's not necessarily in their offering?

Mark is the guy to speak to there, I know him well. Wouldn't recommend anywhere else if I'm honest, anything that I don't do myself gets done there. I know he was looking at a turbo kit, he's done mostly SC cars as they are official Sprintex and Harrop retailers and he's tuned HKS and Cossie kits too.

I believe it may have been the Treadstone turbo kit, I haven't spoken to him in a while.

Fensport will probably try and talk you into an Avo kit as they've done a fair few now, was pretty much the only kit on the market here for ages.

[EAGLE5]

You should just look at the kits available for RHD cars and then see what people say about them. Superchargers are more linear and probably better for a track car. Turbos deliver tons of low-end torque, though not typically with the same precision. There's also lag. As for turbo placement, there are happy people with turbos in all sorts of places. It's more about the engineering of the individual kits. You can have crap and you can have gold in every position.

[Bfranklyn86]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

Mark is the guy to speak to there, I know him well. Wouldn't recommend anywhere else if I'm honest, anything that I don't do myself gets done there. I know he was looking at a turbo kit, he's done mostly SC cars as they are official Sprintex and Harrop retailers and he's tuned HKS and Cossie kits too.

I believe it may have been the Treadstone turbo kit, I haven't spoken to him in a while.

Fensport will probably try and talk you into an Avo kit as they've done a fair few now, was pretty much the only kit on the market here for ages.

Thinking back to when Abbey did my car, I *think* I remember Mark saying it was a greddy turbo he had done.

I can back up what kodename has said in recommending Abbey - I've had good service from them.

[Bfranklyn86]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

You should just look at the kits available for RHD cars and then see what people say about them. Superchargers are more linear and probably better for a track car. Turbos deliver tons of low-end torque, though not typically with the same precision. There's also lag. As for turbo placement, there are happy people with turbos in all sorts of places. It's more about the engineering of the individual kits. You can have crap and you can have gold in every position.

I'm afraid I don't agree with this. The positive displacement superchargers have power available anywhere in the rev range which is what you want for the road. I think a massive torque surge from a turbo is not ideal for the road unless you significantly increase the grip on this thing.

I would do it like this: PD blower for predominantly road use, Centri blower for the track, turbo for road or track if you want to make over 320ish wheel horsepower eventually.