hydrogen on demand mod

[MyNave]

hey lemme know what ya think about this engine modification.
http://www.greenfuelh2o.com/product_p/gfx1-20k.htm
i'm not technically knowledgeable enough, and i would love to hear your opinions.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by MyNave

hey lemme know what ya think about this engine modification.
http://www.greenfuelh2o.com/product_p/gfx1-20k.htm
i'm not technically knowledgeable enough, and i would love to hear your opinions.

100% bogus bullshit. There are no miracle products out there.

[guybo]

Even if it did work- and no hydrogen system like this has ever been proven to- to pay for itself it'd have to save about 151 gallons (at a fuel price of 2.50/gal). Say this thing gave you a 10% increase in MPG. You have to drive a long way to make up that cost. How does this thing adjust your AFR so your engine doesn't lean out or run rich? There's no tune to go with it.

Don't waste your money.

[wbradley]

Just hook a kazoo to your intake and call it a day.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by guybo

Even if it did work- and no hydrogen system like this has ever been proven to- to pay for itself it'd have to save about 151 gallons (at a fuel price of 2.50/gal). Say this thing gave you a 10% increase in MPG. You have to drive a long way to make up that cost. How does this thing adjust your AFR so your engine doesn't lean out or run rich? There's no tune to go with it.

Don't waste your money.

Oh it comes with a "chip" and their description of it scares the crap out of me! Sorta Unichip like and we know how well those work.

What is a Volo fs2 HHO chip?

This chip has been specifically tuned for the needs of HHO generator equipped vehicles. The FS2 is dynamic - which means the FS2 will consider oxygen levels in the exhaust, along with engine speed and load, intake air temperature and volume, and many other variables to determine the most efficient fuel delivery rate and timing at up to 256 separate load points.
When using HHO as a fuel supplement, the FS2 will adjust fuel delivery and timing to optimize efficiency.
When HHO is disabled, the FS2 will automatically re-adjust and switch to highly efficient, non-HHO enhanced maps.
The FS2 is a vehicle specific, custom programmed 20MHz Microcontroller. It utilizes its high speed serial input/output to communicate directly with the ECU through the OBD-II port.

[Lantana frs]

How do they get away with selling this shit.

[Lantana frs]

Get shiv to do a tune for this. I wouldn't wanna be logging a 3rd gear pull.

[MyNave]

well i can't say I am not disappointed. i was really hopeful for better mpg, and everything else it promised.
watch the video that got me to consider it.
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5nld6HzEjM&t=1s"]Hydrogen Hybrid Conversion For ANY Vehicle - I'm Saving 56% At The Gas Pump! - YouTube[/ame]
should have posted this video first.

[churchx]

Oh, video in best lines of those coming to houses and selling at premium household appliances.
IIRC normal electric generators/engines have very high useful activity coefficient, +they can regen energy also from braking, not just engine. Hence why manufacturers use that in hybrid cars even despite battery weight penalty.

I doubt electrolyze process used to produce oxygen & hydrogen is uber efficient, most probably far off efficiency of specialized hydrogen plants. And certainly burning them together back in ICE is less efficient then electric engine.

And amount car generator can produce of hydrogen & oxigen is small. Otherwise more powerful then stock generator will be lugging engine by a lot.

About the only thing they may have some improvement with, if hydrogen & oxigen injections even in very very small amounts (few small bubbles / no big stream like from high-pressure NOS tank) have capability to act as some miraculous catalyst improving by MUCH efficiency of burning normal fuel that still will serve as main source of energy. And i doubt that a bit, as otherwise vendors would be already adding to cars better/safer implemented small replaceable tanks for H2 & O2 injection, in fashion similar to ad-blue for diesels.

Then there comes crash safety bit. You do know, that what can blow is petrol fumes, not petrol itself? You have trust in lines for hydrogen & oxigen for puncture safety in crash in some sched made ebay contraption? Yes, it's no high pressure gas tank leak danger, but also i wouldn't claim that it won't be adding potential extra fire hazzards. I know of fires happening in old submarines due hydrogen accumulation in battery chambers. It's probably 100% safe in some sched-made crap?

Environment safety? That gunk in video probably are remains of metallic electrodes that eroded in alkaline electrolyte of water & soda. I'm not that sure that it together with that electrolyte is THAT safe to dump anywhere. I'm no chemist, but why there are those services of collecting & recycling used batteries. Probably because it's NOT as safe to simply throw them out?

And then there comes shadyness of piggyback chip. Our engines are rather high power output per displacement. There is fine balance managed by rather complicated ECU tune. I wouldn't want throw off it's logic or working of MAF sensor in bin by freely injecting some crap from that contraption managed by unknown logic in one controller made for any cars from different count cylinders and both petrol & diesel. Or you'll get free dyno tune for those $350?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by MyNave

well i can't say I am not disappointed. i was really hopeful for better mpg, and everything else it promised.
watch the video that got me to consider it.
should have posted this video first.

It is one of those things tat the theory is sound and they can make a pretty convincing case but the reality of it is that it just does not work in a practical application. These things would be installed on every single fleet vehicle in North America if the owners found they actually reduced fuel use by the levels claimed. They are not.
That doesn't even touch on the severity of the damage that can be caused by running our engines lean which is what would happen with oxygen pouring in (if it in fact poured in).

[churchx]

I'm rather betting that opened bottle of coke will show way more bubbles of CO2 then electrolyze separated H2/O2 from distilled water by using stock generator power. Far from "pouring". So no much harm, but also no gains except if like from any other placebo product. Aligning fuel molecules with magnets on fuel lines anyone?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by churchx

I'm rather betting that opened bottle of coke will show way more bubbles of CO2 then electrolyze separated H2/O2 from distilled water by using stock generator power. Far from "pouring". So no much harm, but also no gains except if like from any other placebo product. Aligning fuel molecules with magnets on fuel lines anyone?

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[yelsew]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

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Originally Posted by yelsew

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