Mods to avoid

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by norcalpb

Yeah an aftermarket intake only provides gains IF you are tuned. Maybe it'll lean the car out when you first install it, but the ecu will correct the AFR and you will lose all gains.

Once you go stage 2 an intake will not provide any gains whatsoever.

IMHO, aftermarket tune only makes sense in two ways to add any measurable power short of FI: 1. cat delete, 2. E85 mod

I don't want to deal with illegal inspections, driving around with that crazy noise, or lose my fuel efficiency for a fractional gain. I would give up my warranty only for FI.

If you are really racing and need every bit of power, that is another story. I am not racing.

[EAGLE5]

One other thing. The OFT tunes make noticeably more power with a header than without. The difference between stock versus stock+OFT feels less than the difference between stock+OFT and OFT+header. In other words, I wouldn't get a tune unless you're getting a header too. Also, e85 + header = nice.

[86Boyz]

Originally Posted by mrg666

IMHO, aftermarket tune only makes sense in two ways to add any measurable power short of FI: 1. cat delete, 2. E85 mod

I don't want to deal with illegal inspections, driving around with that crazy noise, or lose my fuel efficiency for a fractional gain. I would give up my warranty only for FI.

If you are really racing and need every bit of power, that is another story. I am not racing.

i like your grumpy looking avatar

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by mrg666

If the factory intake is "very very" good, is the aftermarket intake triple very good? I will take the "very very good" option, it is enough for me. Next step upgrade is forced induction that adds 50% hp. Until then, it is not worth spending time and big money on infinitesimal gains. People forget to enjoy driving this car, while "screwing" it all around.

Oh very good then.

Originally Posted by Subie_Nubie

The TRD intake is actually quite shit. For stock rides it's ok. If you try to use it with an OTS tune, it'll muck up the MAF scaling. Only aftermarket intake I like is Grimmspeed, but then again I'm biased because that's what I run. But the MAF scaling on this is closer to stock and is more compatible with stage 1/2 tunes. A new intake should probably be the least prioritized on your mod list.

That's what you get for not running a proper tune.
OTS FTL.

[Subie_Nubie]

Originally Posted by Tokay444

Oh very good then.

That's what you get for not running a proper tune.
OTS FTL.

Say that too a majority of OFT users who are quite happy with Shiv's OTS tunes.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by mrg666

IMHO, aftermarket tune only makes sense in two ways to add any measurable power short of FI: 1. cat delete, 2. E85 mod

I don't want to deal with illegal inspections, driving around with that crazy noise, or lose my fuel efficiency for a fractional gain. I would give up my warranty only for FI.

If you are really racing and need every bit of power, that is another story. I am not racing.

Crazy noise is subjective (and can simply be tuned around if you're speaking of VVT noise), and fuel efficiency doesn't matter when 1) you're making noticeably more power 2) E85 is far cheaper than premium

But it's OK, we all have our opinions of what something is worth. Back in the early days of these cars a tune was all but required if you didn't want to have DI injector seal failures...

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

One other thing. The OFT tunes make noticeably more power with a header than without. The difference between stock versus stock+OFT feels less than the difference between stock+OFT and OFT+header. In other words, I wouldn't get a tune unless you're getting a header too. Also, e85 + header = nice.

That's ignoring the other drivability improvements. Not to mention E85 on a stock header has quite a gain as well.

Originally Posted by Subie_Nubie

Say that too a majority of OFT users who are quite happy with Shiv's OTS tunes.

MAF scaling is the simplest part of the tuning and you SHOULD be checking it even with a completely stock setup. That's the whole point of the open tunes.

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by CTB727

Never buy lowering springs. Eventually you will want coilovers.

Considering how good our OEM dampers are and how most people buy adjustable coils and never touch the adjustment lowering springs are just fine for a majority of owners

[Lantana frs]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

One other thing. The OFT tunes make noticeably more power with a header than without. The difference between stock versus stock+OFT feels less than the difference between stock+OFT and OFT+header. In other words, I wouldn't get a tune unless you're getting a header too. Also, e85 + header = nice.

Yes, 190-200 whp is plenty for this car. Just fattening the torque curve makes it a different animal altogether.

[86Boyz]

Originally Posted by Lantana frs

Yes, 190-200 whp is plenty for this car. Just fattening the torque curve makes it a different animal altogether.

but if you make it fat then it will be a slower animal

[PandaSPUR]

Am I the only one who doesn't mind having a steel shift knob in cold weather? NYC gets pretty cold... :|

It does kinda suck, but I get over it after a few minutes.

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

Am I the only one who doesn't mind having a steel shift knob in cold weather? NYC gets pretty cold... :|

It does kinda suck, but I get over it after a few minutes.

I put a sleeve over mine for winter mornings or summer during the day. I could probably stand the cold but when it gets 100+ here it's brutal trying to grab it hot

[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by finch1750

I put a sleeve over mine for winter mornings or summer during the day. I could probably stand the cold but when it gets 100+ here it's brutal trying to grab it hot

Hmm I guess I haven't driven my car on a day that hot yet. Last summer, the temps didnt even break 100 around here i think.

[Scrappydoo]

Originally Posted by finch1750

I put a sleeve over mine for winter mornings or summer during the day. I could probably stand the cold but when it gets 100+ here it's brutal trying to grab it hot

How absolutely awful.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by finch1750

Considering how good our OEM dampers are and how most people buy adjustable coils and never touch the adjustment lowering springs are just fine for a majority of owners

Dampers are tuned to the spring and weight of the car. Lowering springs will have higher spring rates meaning they're then under damped with factory stuff.

Going the tS route with the springs and struts is the way to avoid this...

Originally Posted by 86Boyz

but if you make it fat then it will be a slower animal

Wait... what?