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Tcoat · 12-11-2016, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by weederr33

And then the rest of the consumers will cry and whine it's too expensive to afford!

Yep. All the people that would never buy it even if they could.

davmandave · 12-12-2016, 04:09 AM

I feel like a re-badged BMW is a cop-out answer for the new Supra. The Gen III and Gen IV Supras were such iconic cars. I was really hoping that the new Supra would be something similar. Not to mention, BMW is an odd choice to bring over and re-badge.

KR-S · 12-12-2016, 06:46 AM

This thread jumps from clickbait to Scion badging, then to a mix of both, then to the S-FR, then to the 2018 BMW Supra.

Just another day on FT86Club.

Braces · 12-12-2016, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by davmandave

I feel like a re-badged BMW is a cop-out answer for the new Supra. The Gen III and Gen IV Supras were such iconic cars. I was really hoping that the new Supra would be something similar. Not to mention, BMW is an odd choice to bring over and re-badge.

Not rebadge, but shared chassis. I would not be unhappy with a TT BMW 6 cylinder. Those engines develop impressive hp and tq.

wish list for the supra: light weight, RWD, 400 plus hp, and NO hybrid tech.
In other words ..... An 86 on steroids. Cost: entry level corvette money.

Tcoat · 12-12-2016, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Braces

Not rebadge, but shared chassis. I would not be unhappy with a TT BMW 6 cylinder. Those engines develop impressive hp and tq.

wish list for the supra: light weight, RWD, 400 plus hp, and NO hybrid tech.
In other words ..... An 86 on steroids. Cost: entry level corvette money.

Tcoat · 12-12-2016, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Braces

Not rebadge, but shared chassis. I would not be unhappy with a TT BMW 6 cylinder. Those engines develop impressive hp and tq.

wish list for the supra: light weight, RWD, 400 plus hp, and NO hybrid tech.
In other words ..... An 86 on steroids. Cost: entry level corvette money.

WWFT86 · 12-12-2016, 10:49 PM

Jeez.. just thought I share some speculations from Japan... that's all. Ive never considered any of these fact.

john5757 · 12-12-2016, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stevesnj

With this livery

Maybe its just the angle but it looks a bit like a mini cooper to me

HKz · 12-13-2016, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Braces

Not rebadge, but shared chassis. I would not be unhappy with a TT BMW 6 cylinder. Those engines develop impressive hp and tq.

wish list for the supra: light weight, RWD, 400 plus hp, and NO hybrid tech.
In other words ..... An 86 on steroids. Cost: entry level corvette money.

...sorry, it is indeed a huge cop out for Toyota, this is THEIR halo car whereas the Z isn't BMW's. Toyota is having some of their best financial years right now, profits are more than any other car manufacturer yet they need help from BMW? And to be clear, this is to help BMW, not Toyota...BMW sales are stagnating whereas Lexus sales have gone up.

Toyota just released their new platform and new chassis with the LC500 so I sincerely figured they were going to repeat what they did with the platform sharing between the original SC and MKIV Supra but with each passing rumor and the couple mules we've seen it appears this is not the case..

I thought more people would have been upset at all these rumors yet it appears plenty of people are happy to jump on this boring collaboration...so we get a watered down FT1 design (side view mirrors integrated into the window? really? gross..), we lose the +2 seating, we will arguably inherit BMW reliability and repair/maintenance costs, we can't call our car JDM..what else am I missing?

..this is exactly like the ND Miata/Alfa collab where Toyota is Alfa...ain't exciting especially when Honda and Nissan have continued their halo cars on their own. I guess the BMW Z line is more important than the Supra lineage.

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Originally Posted by john5757

Maybe its just the angle but it looks a bit like a mini cooper to me

where's the resemblance?

Braces · 12-13-2016, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HKz

...sorry, it is indeed a huge cop out for Toyota, this is THEIR halo car whereas the Z isn't BMW's. Toyota is having some of their best financial years right now, profits are more than any other car manufacturer yet they need help from BMW? And to be clear, this is to help BMW, not Toyota...BMW sales are stagnating whereas Lexus sales have gone up.

Toyota just released their new platform and new chassis with the LC500 so I sincerely figured they were going to repeat what they did with the platform sharing between the original SC and MKIV Supra but with each passing rumor and the couple mules we've seen it appears this is not the case..

I thought more people would have been upset at all these rumors yet it appears plenty of people are happy to jump on this boring collaboration...so we get a watered down FT1 design (side view mirrors integrated into the window? really? gross..), we lose the +2 seating, we will arguably inherit BMW reliability and repair/maintenance costs, we can't call our car JDM..what else am I missing?

..this is exactly like the ND Miata/Alfa collab where Toyota is Alfa...ain't exciting especially when Honda and Nissan have continued their halo cars on their own. I guess the BMW Z line is more important than the Supra lineage.

I agree with most of what you said. Not sure why they didn't go with the available Lexus chassis (maybe too soft???). It could get worse. They could have really been lazy and stuffed a WRX turbo motor in the new supra.

strat61caster · 12-13-2016, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by davmandave

I feel like a re-badged BMW is a cop-out answer for the new Supra.

I think you're in luck and they won't call it a Supra.

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Originally Posted by Braces

Not rebadge, but shared chassis.

lmao

People were saying that about the 86 5+ years ago.
How'd that turn out?

Tcoat · 12-13-2016, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster

I think you're in luck and they won't call it a Supra.

lmao

People were saying that about the 86 5+ years ago.
How'd that turn out?

Hey! They have different bumpers and ... um ... colours!

strat61caster · 12-13-2016, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

Hey! They have different bumpers and ... um ... colours!

Ah, classic design choices pioneered by the industry leading General Motors.

Oh hey, they even tanked Scion just like GM tanked Saturn and Pontiac!

Tcoat · 12-13-2016, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by strat61caster

Ah, classic design choices pioneered by the industry leading General Motors.

Oh hey, they even tanked Scion just like GM tanked Saturn and Pontiac!

Wannabes!

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davmandave Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Drives: 2016 Scion FRS, Pearl White, M/T Location: Germany Posts: 61 Thanks: 10 Thanked 38 Times in 24 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I feel like a re-badged BMW is a cop-out answer for the new Supra. The Gen III and Gen IV Supras were such iconic cars. I was really hoping that the new Supra would be something similar. Not to mention, BMW is an odd choice to bring over and re-badge.

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WWFT86 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Drives: 2017 BRZ Limited Location: Toronto Posts: 137 Thanks: 43 Thanked 72 Times in 35 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Jeez.. just thought I share some speculations from Japan... that's all. Ive never considered any of these fact.

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