YES! AWD Turbo BRZ in the works for sure!!!

[Zadkiel]

Originally Posted by MRZ415

I think for sure a Turbo and AWD will be on the BRZ platform,
but to make it happen the internals will have to be moved
and the car have to be a bit higher... it'll be the 2015 WRX Coupe
kinda like how the 2.5RS was back in the day.

......So then why not just make a WRX Coupe based on the WRX?

[MRZ415]

Originally Posted by Zadkiel

......So then why not just make a WRX Coupe based on the WRX?

I think subaru wanted to seperate the WRX/STI away from the Impreza
so the WRX/STI will be more performance based rather than an
upgraded impreza.

[SnapOv3st3r]

Originally Posted by Zadkiel

Isn't that what I've been trying to say? That it wouldn't be used in this car? Now you're confusing me....

LoL...just forget it man..

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by MRZ415

I think for sure a Turbo and AWD will be on the BRZ platform,
but to make it happen the internals will have to be moved
and the car have to be a bit higher... it'll be the 2015 WRX Coupe
kinda like how the 2.5RS was back in the day.

what does that mean?

Originally Posted by MRZ415

I think subaru wanted to seperate the WRX/STI away from the Impreza
so the WRX/STI will be more performance based rather than an
upgraded impreza.

what does that have to do with anything?

[m0nty]

Originally Posted by Zadkiel

I just can't see the point of a turbo. Shed some 100-200lbs in weight, remove the rear seats if need be, more aggressive suspension tuning, bigger brakes, better exhaust and intake, and a better ECU tune. You'd have a 2500lb car with 250-275hp. This car doesn't need a turbo.

Everyone is obsessed with FI to the point where if it isn't turbo then it needs to be somewhere along the line. I had a 240SX with an SR swap that weighed about 2300lbs, had 300hp, and made every attempt to kill me. 250-275hp in a 2500lb car is plenty fast enough.

AWD is not even an option on this. Every single part of the front suspension and chassis would need modifying to even get close to accepting the required AWD components. Adding almost 300lbs worth of weight to the front end and only bumping hp to 300 would result in almost exactly the same 0-60 times but with worse handling characteristics.

There in lies the reason why I don't understand all this talk for a more hipo BRZ/86. All those things can be done by owners which was 100% the point if this car. We could've ended this thread at your post.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by fatoni

what does that mean?


what does that have to do with anything?

Well it depends on what chassis Subaru will use for the WRX. They've said they don't want to use the Impreza anymore. So are they working on another chassis? Or will they make some mods to the BRZ's? For that matter will the WRX change from a trim to a model? Will we see a BRZ WRX, with turbo and AWD? This was Subaru's initial desire for this car after all. They could do it with a different front end much like how the Supra started. Celica from the firewall back, modified front section.

On that note when is the new WRX even due? Are there spy shots testing yet?

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Well it depends on what chassis Subaru will use for the WRX. They've said they don't want to use the Impreza anymore. So are they working on another chassis? Or will they make some mods to the BRZ's? For that matter will the WRX change from a trim to a model? Will we see a BRZ WRX, with turbo and AWD? This was Subaru's initial desire for this car after all. They could do it with a different front end much like how the Supra started. Celica from the firewall back, modified front section.

On that note when is the new WRX even due? Are there spy shots testing yet?

what i find to be an issue is that the celica/supra was very much one chassis. the differenced to accomodate for a subaru style awd and a turbo would bring a lot of changes. the miata is just a tiny rx8 but i dont think its fair to call the miata an rx8.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by fatoni

what i find to be an issue is that the celica/supra was very much one chassis. the differenced to accomodate for a subaru style awd and a turbo would bring a lot of changes. the miata is just a tiny rx8 but i dont think its fair to call the miata an rx8.

Supras had stretched wheelbase over their little brothers.

I'm just getting at platform-sharing. G35 sedan, 350Z, FX45. All the same platform. But obviously modified. BRZ could be the base platform for the new WRX. Would explain a lot of the 'change' rumours too (TGVs and Hitachi injectors...)

FHI: 'We were taken out of context. We didn't mean the BRZ would be turbo and AWD with TGVs and Hitachi DI. We meant the BRZ's platform. Sorry for the confusion.'

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Supras had stretched wheelbase over their little brothers.

I'm just getting at platform-sharing. G35 sedan, 350Z, FX45. All the same platform. But obviously modified. BRZ could be the base platform for the new WRX. Would explain a lot of the 'change' rumours too (TGVs and Hitachi injectors...)

FHI: 'We were taken out of context. We didn't mean the BRZ would be turbo and AWD with TGVs and Hitachi DI. We meant the BRZ's platform. Sorry for the confusion.'

i guess i can see that. what gen supra are you talking about?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i guess i can see that. what gen supra are you talking about?

Mk2 for sure. Mk1 I'm not 100% on. The Celica-Supras.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Mk2 for sure. Mk1 I'm not 100% on. The Celica-Supras.

mk2 supra or mk2 celica? i could swear the supra was the same size as the regular celica

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by fatoni

mk2 supra or mk2 celica? i could swear the supra was the same size as the regular celica

MA60 Celica-Supra and RA60 Celica GT-S. Same number on the code but the Supra has a slightly longer wheelbase in addition to the different front lights. Basically firewall back they are the same (at least the GT-S version of the Celica with the semi-trailing arms). But in the front they pushed the wheelbase forward to balance the 6 cylinder a bit.

I would really like something similar to this to happen to the Zx6.

If they can push the motor forward for an AWD WRX on a modified chassis, they could also maybe stuff in an H6 or V6 for the Toyota upgrade and stretch the front wheels to keep a decent weight split.

I can dream...

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by MRZ415

I think subaru wanted to seperate the WRX/STI away from the Impreza
so the WRX/STI will be more performance based rather than an
upgraded impreza.

Actually; basing the WRX/STI trims on the Impreza chassis necessitated beefing up the Impreza chassis, including the basic trim 2.5i. Not exactly cost effective, hence the departure from the Impreza.

Originally Posted by Dimman

MA60 Celica-Supra and RA60 Celica GT-S. Same number on the code but the Supra has a slightly longer wheelbase in addition to the different front lights. Basically firewall back they are the same (at least the GT-S version of the Celica with the semi-trailing arms). But in the front they pushed the wheelbase forward to balance the 6 cylinder a bit.

I would really like something similar to this to happen to the Zx6.

If they can push the motor forward for an AWD WRX on a modified chassis, they could also maybe stuff in an H6 or V6 for the Toyota upgrade and stretch the front wheels to keep a decent weight split.

I can dream...

I wouldn't say no to AWD H6 coupe, turbo or otherwise.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Actually; basing the WRX/STI trims on the Impreza chassis necessitated beefing up the Impreza chassis, including the basic trim 2.5i. Not exactly cost effective, hence the departure from the Impreza.


I wouldn't say no to AWD H6 coupe, turbo or otherwise.

Going back to old official interviews they seemed to hint that after the initial twin they might diverge considerably. And Subaru had at first wanted to do a turbo AWD coupe...

I'm thinking we will see some neat things in the future.

BRZ/FR-S/GT86: stays as is.
WRX: Turbo AWD H4, based on modified Zx6 platform.
Supra successor: H6 or V6 RWD, based on modified Zx6 platform.

Sti versions of the Subies will be enhanced versions of their base models. BRZ stays NA RWD, WRX stays turbo AWD. Possible displacement increases for both.

Unless Subaru does something surprising with the 1.6DIT they showed beside the FA20.

Is there any news on what they are doing with that motor???