Which ls swap kit

[evomike]

Originally Posted by 1800bigk

No way I've been doing tons of swaps starting in 1999. All out of my 3 car garage house with basic air tools, engine hoist and engine stands. I always do cars that have decent support like the last one I did was 350z ls3 using sikky kit. It was painless. Didn't have to make anything in a shop.

Anyway I called weapons grade performance last night to ask questions and guy named Doug answered. That's when it dawned on me that I was talking to a guy that goes by Doug@wgp on the gtr forums and in the gtr community Doug and wgp have great rep so im a little surprised it's not the same here.

done a ton of canbus stuff have ya? i think you should do a bit more research before you decide to take on this project.

[NOHOME]

Originally Posted by evomike

honestly if you cant fab mounts a swap like this is above your skill level.

I can see where you might think so, and I am often of the "If you are asking you cant do it" school. But one reality about fabrication is that it often comes down to shop space and tools. Not everyone has the cash and space to house the benders, cutters ,and welding equipment required for making the hard-parts.

Acquiring the tools and doing the mechanical fabrication for my swap has reduced a four car shop to a one car shop.


With the electro-mechanical challenges involved beyond mounts, cooling and exhaust, I can see where subcontracting the hardware fabrication is a way to go.



As to the OP's question...Buy the Vorshlag kit. Those guys present as engineers and business people as opposed to the rest who come across as talented enthusiast. Vorslhag does other kits, so they know what their clients want in a kit (and what they dont want) and they have a track record of providing that plus the support needed to finish the job. I bet they are not the least expensive.

[1800bigk]

Originally Posted by evomike

done a ton of canbus stuff have ya? i think you should do a bit more research before you decide to take on this project.

for the cars i cared about speedo and stuff i would send both harness off to wiring specialties and use both ecus, for cars that dont need speedo and stuff i just do connect and cruise using gm stuff. that is easy part. making hard parts not easy for me.

[evomike]

Originally Posted by 1800bigk

for the cars i cared about speedo and stuff i would send both harness off to wiring specialties and use both ecus, for cars that dont need speedo and stuff i just do connect and cruise using gm stuff. that is easy part. making hard parts not easy for me.

wiring specialties wants nothing to do with swaps for these cars last i talked to them

[cf6mech]

I daily.....well almost dailying my car with zero can bus intergration.....its no big deal.....power steering and fuel gauge go into a default setting.....i get partial assist in steering which is only noticable at very slow speeds....fuel gauge works in three increments full half empty......I drive for maybe a hundred miles on half then re- fill it........traction control I want off anyways.....ABS only need for rain or foul weather .....tach is all i really miss.......which if you really wanted could be intergrated without canbus......but im holding out for a translator device which i have been told is being sent as we speak as the first trial didnt work because of the Gm ecu that im using.

[1800bigk]

Spoke with vorshlag sounds like their kit will handle everything including wiring so probably just keep accumulating stuff until it's ready for purchase.

[wutsaiu]

Oh no... CAN BUS!!! Excuse me while I go drive my V8 FRS with working power steering and tach.

[cf6mech]

Originally Posted by wutsaiu

Oh no... CAN BUS!!! Excuse me while I go drive my V8 FRS with working power steering and tach.

Be there soon.......just saying its no big deal without.

[wooly35]

I cant wait for this kit to come out. Im ready now!!!

[Big D Design]

There is no mention of the RS-R car built with the Coyote Engine. They used an Aluminator X motor which is very expensive, but a standard Coyote or a Boss 302 motor would be plenty of power at 400 and something HP.

Still the price of a swap is going to cost a lot of cash. RS-R did say that the motor fit like it was meant to be there all the time. Ford AC unit and condenser fit as well. With a Crate motor that's new and a rebuilt 6 speed trans you are looking at $9,300 with wiring harness. The AC unit, alternator, hoses, plugs, belts will be another $2,000. ECU integration with Motec is probably almost $6,000. Driveshaft $600. Custom headers and exhaust could be $3,000. Then the labor and all the other things like new Radiator, tune. That will cost you a minimum of $5,000.

Let's just say $30,000 for a brand new Crate Motor Coyote swap. That a lot of money. You could buy a used second car for that money. But you could also do the build for $10k - $15k cheaper with used motor and your own labor doing the job yourself or with your mechanic using used parts.

For cheaper you could do the Cosworth Supercharger kit. It seems to be the best with increased low end torque and low heat soak. Jackson Racing has a higher RPM solution that is easy to install. So here is a $7k - $11k solution that could be done by your mechanic in a day or 2. You could be driving your car right away. Engine swap would probably be 4 months.

When I see the swap or supercharge upgrade, I know that I'm going to do one of them in the future. I'm not in a rush, but to me this is a keep car that I don't think the auto industry will ever build anything better to suit an upgradeable car. This car is the "sheet" for handling, and it just begs to have something done to it someday. For now I'm so happy with the car over 4 years later of driving it. I have a Roush with the Coyote engine and I tell ya. That motor is the best V8 motor when it revs out to redline. Just love those double overhead cams screaming. Cosworth seems to be what my mind is leaning towards. The handling will still be there. That can be a worry with V8 swaps. That all for now. Just wanted to dip into the swap pond with you guys.

[wutsaiu]

Originally Posted by cf6mech

Be there soon.......just saying its no big deal without.

By no means was that comment meant for you. Quite the opposite. I'm tired of hearing people act like CAN BUS is a reason to not do a swap. It's a hurdle that can be overcome in many ways.

[evomike]

Originally Posted by wutsaiu

By no means was that comment meant for you. Quite the opposite. I'm tired of hearing people act like CAN BUS is a reason to not do a swap. It's a hurdle that can be overcome in many ways.

never did i say it in this manner, i was saying it because if you cannot make engine mounts something like that is probably way above your head. there are so many threads about swaps and a lot people have no grasp of the actual cost of things.

[mightaswell]

Next time someone pitches $6k MOTEC as a solution to CANBUS, just remember a dude on these very forums did it with a $75 arduino and a laptop.

[NOHOME]

Originally Posted by mightaswell

Next time someone pitches $6k MOTEC as a solution to CANBUS, just remember a VERY TALENTED dude on these very forums did it with a $75 arduino and a laptop.

I was quite impressed when I read that. However we perhaps should not base expectations on the achievements of one outlier.

The breakthrough will come when a talented person packages the solution into a product that will sell at a price that provides value to the market and makes him money. That is known as market disruption and something that we as consumers can look forward to. I myself am patiently waiting for the universal can-bus translator that will work with any car by running the entire code through a Rosetta stone like decoder.

I work in an industry where everything we do was impossible or magic just two years ago. By the time we are done, its just another Bic lighter.