PTUNING Flex Fuel Kit w/Bluetooth Module

[s30series]

Originally Posted by ptuning

This device will only provide the 0-5V output needed to integrate with your ECU. However, like with all flex fuel kits, you will need the custom RaceROM maps available with ECUTek in order to integrate flex fueling. If OFT is working on developing their own custom ROM features, then it may be possible to do flex fueling down the road.

- Toan

Is this kit able to display E content on the P3 guage as well as go to the ECU ecutek? IE does it have two cables or do you simply split the line (voltage drop?)?

[Freddy@PTUNING]

Originally Posted by s30series

Is this kit able to display E content on the P3 guage as well as go to the ECU ecutek? IE does it have two cables or do you simply split the line (voltage drop?)?

Yes you absolutely can. Just T-tap the signal wire from the ecu and run it directly to the P3 gauge and configure it from there. Shouldn't have a voltage drop.

[sidesleeper]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Lol. Fail.

No picture of cross section of fuel hose = fail...

Until then I don't believe them, because as far as I'm concerned this is the hose they are using: http://www.russellperformance.com/mc...oclassic.shtml

Maybe they don't buy it direct from Russel...but I'm sure it's the same hose from China.

This guy says it best:

[sidesleeper]

Originally Posted by M1K3

I don't know how you can look at this kit or any kit that Ptuning makes and call it cheap

Well their high quality ethanol analyzer is not made in China, but it is made in the USA in some dude's toaster oven... Guess that makes it really high quality and expensive.

Found this little gem on NASIOC:

[Mrc@ptuning]

Originally Posted by sidesleeper

No picture of cross section of fuel hose = fail...

Until then I don't believe them, because as far as I'm concerned this is the hose they are using: http://www.russellperformance.com/mc...oclassic.shtml

Maybe they don't buy it direct from Russel...but I'm sure it's the same hose from China.

This guy says it best:

You must have a lot of time on your hands to keep questioning our product. The only reason I can come up with as to why you're still on this thread:

• You really want to buy our flex fuel kit but want confirmation that we are using a SS braided reinforced hose as advertised -- unlikely
• You're bore and just want to troll -- possibly
• You already own a flex fuel kit from another vendor and just want to discredit everyone else's kit to justify your purchase -- highly probable
• You're friends with or is the other competitor or planning to release your own product and discrediting a competitors product could eventually boost your sales -- makes me wonder about this one.

Anyhow, regardless of your intentions, we'll assume that you're genuinely looking out for the best interest of the 86 community and want make sure they are getting a quality product from a company that's been around since 1998.

So below is your proof, the first picture is the russel proclassic hose that you can't stop talking about--it has a dark blue tracer with no SS braided reinforcement. Below that is the fuel hose we use in our kit and as you can see it has a more silver like tracer on the woven exterior with SS braided reinforced liner.

Russel proclassic hose:



Hose used in our PTUNING flex fuel kit with SS braided reinforced liner:


Also you keep talking about made in China--I hate to disappoint you but your 86 uses a lot of Chinese made parts, whether you care to believe it or not. Most of the fasteners made these days are made in China along with a lot of the electronics components. When you buy a turbo manifold used in a lot of the made-in-the-USA turbo kits for the FRS, the SS piping they used to weld up the manifolds are all made in China. The raw steel or SS plates used to machine the flanges are made at foundries in China. Even if you were to buy raw material from foundry in the USA, those foundries are probably all Chinese-own.

Your cell phone, regardless of brand is made in China, if it was made entirely in the US, you would not be able to afford owning one. I have nothing against products made in China, as long the product is not a knock-off of someone else's design, that's mass produced to look like the original without the quality control, material specification, tolerances & fitment, and R&D of the original design.


We take pride in saying our product is "made in the USA" but we can only based this statement on the fact that we fabricate, assemble, machine, and buy our components and material from a US-based company. We have no control or know if our US vendors are purchasing their material or components manufactured overseas.

[tato.valverde]

Originally Posted by Mrc@ptuning

You must have a lot of time on your hands to keep questioning our product. The only reason I can come up with as to why you're still on this thread:

• You really want to buy our flex fuel kit but want confirmation that we are using a SS braided reinforced hose as advertised -- unlikely
• You're bore and just want to troll -- possibly
• You already own a flex fuel kit from another vendor and just want to discredit everyone else's kit to justify your purchase -- highly probable
• You're friends with or is the other competitor or planning to release your own product and discrediting a competitors product could eventually boost your sales -- makes me wonder about this one.

Anyhow, regardless of your intentions, we'll assume that you're genuinely looking out for the best interest of the 86 community and want make sure they are getting a quality product from a company that's been around since 1998.

So below is your proof, the first picture is the russel proclassic hose that you can't stop talking about--it has a dark blue tracer with no SS braided reinforcement. Below that is the fuel hose we use in our kit and as you can see it has a more silver like tracer on the woven exterior with SS braided reinforced liner.

Russel proclassic hose:



Hose used in our PTUNING flex fuel kit with SS braided reinforced liner:


Also you keep talking about made in China--I hate to disappoint you but your 86 uses a lot of Chinese made parts, whether you care to believe it or not. Most of the fasteners made these days are made in China along with a lot of the electronics components. When you buy a turbo manifold used in a lot of the made-in-the-USA turbo kits for the FRS, the SS piping they used to weld up the manifolds are all made in China. The raw steel or SS plates used to machine the flanges are made at foundries in China. Even if you were to buy raw material from foundry in the USA, those foundries are probably all Chinese-own.

Your cell phone, regardless of brand is made in China, if it was made entirely in the US, you would not be able to afford owning one. I have nothing against products made in China, as long the product is not a knock-off of someone else's design, that's mass produced to look like the original without the quality control, material specification, tolerances & fitment, and R&D of the original design.


We take pride in saying our product is "made in the USA" but we can only based this statement on the fact that we fabricate, assemble, machine, and buy our components and material from a US-based company. We have no control or know if our US vendors are purchasing their material or components manufactured overseas.

Plot twist... he works for you!

Because after seeing you have the patience and decency to deal with this troll like a gentleman, now I want to buy your products even more

[sidesleeper]

Originally Posted by Mrc@ptuning

You must have a lot of time on your hands to keep questioning our product. The only reason I can come up with as to why you're still on this thread:

• You really want to buy our flex fuel kit but want confirmation that we are using a SS braided reinforced hose as advertised -- unlikely
• You're bore and just want to troll -- possibly
• You already own a flex fuel kit from another vendor and just want to discredit everyone else's kit to justify your purchase -- highly probable
• You're friends with or is the other competitor or planning to release your own product and discrediting a competitors product could eventually boost your sales -- makes me wonder about this one.

Anyhow, regardless of your intentions, we'll assume that you're genuinely looking out for the best interest of the 86 community and want make sure they are getting a quality product from a company that's been around since 1998.

So below is your proof, the first picture is the russel proclassic hose that you can't stop talking about--it has a dark blue tracer with no SS braided reinforcement. Below that is the fuel hose we use in our kit and as you can see it has a more silver like tracer on the woven exterior with SS braided reinforced liner.

Russel proclassic hose:



Hose used in our PTUNING flex fuel kit with SS braided reinforced liner:


Also you keep talking about made in China--I hate to disappoint you but your 86 uses a lot of Chinese made parts, whether you care to believe it or not. Most of the fasteners made these days are made in China along with a lot of the electronics components. When you buy a turbo manifold used in a lot of the made-in-the-USA turbo kits for the FRS, the SS piping they used to weld up the manifolds are all made in China. The raw steel or SS plates used to machine the flanges are made at foundries in China. Even if you were to buy raw material from foundry in the USA, those foundries are probably all Chinese-own.

Your cell phone, regardless of brand is made in China, if it was made entirely in the US, you would not be able to afford owning one. I have nothing against products made in China, as long the product is not a knock-off of someone else's design, that's mass produced to look like the original without the quality control, material specification, tolerances & fitment, and R&D of the original design.


We take pride in saying our product is "made in the USA" but we can only based this statement on the fact that we fabricate, assemble, machine, and buy our components and material from a US-based company. We have no control or know if our US vendors are purchasing their material or components manufactured overseas.

All good logical points. Yes on a couple points in your list, that's all I'll say as you seem paranoid and hey, I'll play to that by not directly answering your list of assumptions.

Mainly, I was upset by what your company initially said in the first post. You're basically lying to the community. You didn't spend that much time designing the kit... What, some fuel lines and a bracket design? Also, I came back to FT86 after a few days and saw some post quotes, so I thought I'd respond and do a little more digging, because if you don't take a stand you'll fall for anything.

You know, I see now that you've posted a larger picture, it is indeed silver trace fuel hose. It was very hard to see in the previous small resolution photo posted, I guess it really is steel reinforced hose. Thank you for educating the community in that regards. Sorry, I discredited your fuel hose.

I never said that things made in China are bad, just that's it's made in China and you have confirmed this by defending and ranting about Chinese manufactured products.

However, the bigger issue that I stumbled upon, is the electronics now. They are homemade in someone's toaster oven. Did you even know that? I assume you didn't, as you didn't care to comment on that.

I'm sure Zeitronix ECA electronics are not made in someone's toaster oven.

You may want to check with your electronics supplier or find a new one, but I'm pretty sure that, that's the guy's facebook that makes them.

[Mrc@ptuning]

Originally Posted by sidesleeper

However, the bigger issue that I stumbled upon, is the electronics now. They are homemade in someone's toaster oven. Did you even know that? I assume you didn't, as you didn't care to comment on that.

I'm sure Zeitronix ECA electronics are not made in someone's toaster oven.

You may want to check with your electronics supplier or find a new one, but I'm pretty sure that, that's the guy's facebook that makes them.

Are you sure that other electronic boards on the market are not baked in a conventional oven? Not everyone can go out and setup a multi-million dollar facility right of the bat to come out with one product on a small scale. Whether the ECA we use or the other ECA on the market is manufacturer using a $100 piece of equipment or $100K piece of equipment is irrelevant, as long as the company producing the product knows the process and verse in that industry, that's all that matters.

What your basically saying is that a seasoned pastry chef cannot bake a good tasting cake in a home oven vs a factory worker baking a cake at the Sara Lee factory using a million dollar oven. If you think that all the aftermarket products you have purchased or may purchased from of some of the aftermarket vendors are all produced in multi-million dollar facilities using million dollar equipments, you're in for a rude awakening. Some of the most innovative products are brew out of someone's garage on a small scale.

With regards to you being upset for how we worded our original post, I would apologize had we sold you an inferior product that did not work as advertised. But you did not purchased or used this product so I don't understand what you are upset about. If you are not happy with a product from a particular vendor based on the way the product was "advertised", by all means don't buy it, look elsewhere, no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to buy that product.

I'm sure your next gripe will be about us not including titanium fasteners with the kit instead of the stainless fasteners. If you feel that you can build a better product by all means show us and the rest of the community and we'll be happy to chime in, if you'd like.

[ichitaka05]

K sidesleeper, your posts is getting out of hand. It's not debate anymore, it's became discrediting for no point reason. If you buy their product and pointing the flaws &/or issues, makes sense, but you have not bought this kit or bought their product. Ptuning, specially MrC have replied to ALL your posts professionally, there's no point at this time to point fingers.

IF you don't like the product/thread move along to different thread. If you don't or have productive debate, I'll have to take an action.

ichi

[sidesleeper]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

K sidesleeper, your posts is getting out of hand. It's not debate anymore, it's became discrediting for no point reason. If you buy their product and pointing the flaws &/or issues, makes sense, but you have not bought this kit or bought their product. Ptuning, specially MrC have replied to ALL your posts professionally, there's no point at this time to point fingers.

IF you don't like the product/thread move along to different thread. If you don't or have productive debate, I'll have to take an action.

ichi

I understand, they are a paying vendor and contacted you. Sure thing, I'm done. You won't see me post in this thread again.

You know what though, I'm going to take on MRC's challenge in another thread and find out where other offerings really are made.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by sidesleeper

I understand, they are a paying vendor and contacted you. Sure thing, I'm done. You won't see me post in this thread again.

You know what though, I'm going to take on MRC's challenge in another thread and find out where other offerings really are made.

G'morning from a small island...

K, 2 things I wanna clear up here:
1. I don't get paid to be a mod. All the money goes to the admin and not single penny goes to any of the mods. It doesn't matter if they're paying vendor or not, it doesn't effect me at ALL.
2. No, they did not contact me. I found this thread all by myself (it's a miracle, I know!) and read it, it was getting out of hand, so gave you a warning. Simple as that.

& please do find all other brands are made and make a thread about it. It'll be interesting read imo.

Now, let's go back On-Topic.

[SpectreRT]

Bumping this thread, as I'm taking the plunge soon into E85 land with PTuning. I'll post some before/after results.
- Note: My build is already rather... "Complete." So not looking to be a dyno queen. However this should be interesting to show benefits from a full NA build around 93 pump... and then making a swap over to E85 / Flex.

Thanks again to everyone at PTuning. Easy to order, schedule install, etc.

[kmbkk]

I'm looking at getting this kit next spring, so interested in how you like it.

[SpectreRT]

Absolutely, I'll post results / feedback.