Gt2259 smaller turbo better torque

[Northwest86]

Originally Posted by -Willis-86touge

And was it on e85? The graph I show was e85.

Nope they both say 98 Ron which would be 93 in America I believe. With E85 those numbers would be around 200kw.

[-Willis-86touge]

Yea I'm just trying to see different possibilities. I guess I'm just curious if one it would work two what the actual outcome would be three if it would be better daily driver and four if lag would be low enough to seem if it wasn't there. Maybe even if we could retrofit a junk yard kit fro a wrx for cheaper too? Like I said my head is running and just looking for answers.. To me hp is not important it's how the car reacts when in it and you made a good point dyno don't mean shit it's how it reacts. ���� Subaru used that turbo for a reason because of the characteristic it makes for daily driving and I just believe if it was setup right are cars could utilize it seeing how the motors are similar but be living the frs fa20 is better����

[Northwest86]

So back to the point of the thread. A smallish turbo, but not to small, around 9-10 psi and E85 will get you to the realms of WRX numbers on torque in roughly the same places. With the higher gearing and lighter weight it will be much quicker though. Numbers and drag racing don't really mean much though but whatever floats your boat. A SS commodore with a LS3 in stock form gives me a run for my money on the drags but around a track the differences are massive. And with about half the power?

You'd be basically building a entire kit bar the turbo to my understanding. The wastegate would have to be sorted as well. And I have no idea on how it'd be in the upper end as I haven't seen anyone try it. Modified Garrets work well. I'm sure over the next few years people will be wrecking/upgrading turbos from WRX's and might be cool to try it for something to do. I'm sure someone more knowledgable could better explain what would the the drawbacks/positives.

[-Willis-86touge]

Bro I think we're on the same page but maybe u misread me earlier I stated the drag concept was just a example, maybe I should put it this way. My boss hates my car cause it's underpowered he's a big block guy. And I've showed him 86trd griffon and he still was arrogant about it even though with a na motor and weight reduction it posted a .58 on the track witch is fucking fast for a 200 hp motor. So I guess what I'm saying I'm just trying to think out side the box maybe different but maybe it would surprise someone.

[Northwest86]

Yep I think we are. just took a little to get there. You want drivability with punch. Exactly what I wanted too hence why I got what I got. A Jackson Racing SC gives good punch without the lag but it is a supercharger and I'm a turbo guy. Also they aren't sold in Australia and shipping and import duties absolutely destroy the pricetag on imported goods. A water to air Intercooler vs Front Mount is light and day in terms of turbo drivability. Personally those would be the kits I'd look at if you want an all rounder.

[-Willis-86touge]

Yea looked to a supercharger but most people don't much above the 300hp mark and from the graph I posted earlier with the supercharger hep got about 350 hp but torque never got above 250 an that wasn't until around like 6000 rpms I believe and this was on a c38 that's why I was purposeing this cause I think turbo is the way to go. But trying anyway to minimize the lag!! Hell I've seen a chart of a fully built fa20 with a Stroker and supercharger and the curve just doesn't seem as nice as the wrx curve. But he'll it's making like above 400 whp il see if I can find it but the torque is just what I don't like on it

[Northwest86]

And looking at the JRSC graph you posted. Those are very healthy numbers all over. It'd be a pleasure to drive. On a daily basis and for the track that'd be an awesome car. Apart from what I got that was honestly the only other FI kit that I was even considering. All the others had to many issues and letdowns. Luckily I was in touch with the people doing the RnD for my turbo kit for a few years so when I got the chance to get one. I took it.

[-Willis-86touge]

Well after looking at it it is a nice linear curve but still not sure seems a little low in the low rpms

[Northwest86]

You gotta remember too that we have alot less car to move than a WRX and only 2 wheels to do it. The Turbo 86 I posted earlier. You honestly couldn't ask for much more than that. How often are you honestly driving at 1500 rpm making pulls? It is great to know that whatever speed you are doing, that boost is available and you don't have to let it build for ages. What the graphs don't show though is the response. Going from 8 Feet of Front mount piping and whatever to under a foot with the intercooler included is massive on response differences.

[-Willis-86touge]

I don't think there's anything wrong with either supercharger hell I'd drive em both lol just comparing them and I see things that I'm wondering can be improved. Concept wise a electric motor can blow away a gas motor because the torque is always there, only comparing to similar car of course. Ever seen tesla take off. Vroom

[Northwest86]

The other thing is drivability. At the track I probably run different tyre setups and different driving styles to the guys with Supercharges and NA cars. Converting all those numbers into stuff I understand is a pain. You people and your imperial system.

Well take into consideration at 3500 RPM it's making 198 Ftlbs (270ish Nm) Thats alot really. There's not many people and or cars built to handle that at wide open throttle in any level of corner. Hell on 8Psi I run roughly 250Nm (185 ftlbs) on a 90/91 tune. At the track I discovered I simply have to run decent width R-spec Semis or I cannot use the power at all. A 225 Nitto NT05 had wheel spin. On every corner even at half throttle. With 255 NT01's its excellent. More tyre would definitely be a waste of time though as I could not use it all.

[Northwest86]

And the Teslas. Saw my first when I was on holidays in the big smoke. Really weird seeing this thing peeling away from you. 100% silently.

[-Willis-86touge]

Lol yea weird right! So I'm trying to figure out what your saying?? Too much torque in the corner is bad right! Or just on a turbo car? Please elaborate

[-Willis-86touge]

Man I wish this thing would refresh on my phone without having to exit out every time lol