Portland Area- Rock in motor need advice! - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Gbaby86 · 03-21-2016, 03:44 PM

New to the forum. Have searched a lot but just decided to sign up because i need advice from y'all who know this motor before i spend the $$ for the fix.

Long story short went to change my oil Friday. Somehow a rock got in the funnel as i was transferring it to the oil filler and it went right in. So I had the rock sitting on top of the camshaft timing intake gear (if i would have known prior about the camshaft oil control valve i could have got it). Ended up pushing the rock down next to the timing exhaust gear below. Tried removing it through control valve with no luck. It is currently sitting right below the pulley. Between the pulley and the case i would say. Pretty tough angle to get between to scoop it out with anything.

I would say i am at the point where i gotta break that case open. Not totally sure what that entails. Going to call around later today to get some quotes. If anyone on here knows a shop in the Portland/Gresham area that is familar with FA20's so i could get an accurate quote that would be appriciated!

Weather or not its going to be spendy will be the deciding factor if i take on this project myself or not. Ive got a couple buddies that know motors pretty well but not the FA20 in particular. It would be nice to get input from someone on here that knows the motor real well.

Thanks in advance for any input!

Kody

go_a_way1 · 03-21-2016, 03:51 PM

Total loss. Time to buy a 2017 "86" that will look like ass

Ultramaroon · 03-21-2016, 04:31 PM

Is it possible to get at it with a grabbing tool? Sucks, man. I feel your pain.

LOLS2K · 03-21-2016, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by go_a_way1

Total loss. Time to buy a 2017 "86" that will look like ass

Did they drop the [GT]86?

Edit: Sorry to hear that. Let us know how it got resolved.

Gbaby86 · 03-21-2016, 04:59 PM

Yea I tried using one of the grabbers. It was just too tight to get in

Ultramaroon · 03-21-2016, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Gbaby86

Yea I tried using one of the grabbers. It was just too tight to get in

How about taping a smaller hose to a shop vac and try sucking it out? I work in Portland and live in Vancouver. Lots of dumb ideas. Sometimes they even work.

Gbaby86 · 03-21-2016, 05:13 PM

Tried that as well when it was much higher in the case. Could feel the vacuum effect through the dipstick hole but no luck.

Any ideas help!

Jonesy86 · 03-21-2016, 08:08 PM

Buy my fa20 with a vortech sc.

Ultramaroon · 03-21-2016, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gbaby86

Tried that as well when it was much higher in the case. Could feel the vacuum effect through the dipstick hole but no luck.

Any ideas help!

If you felt it in the dipstick tube that's too big of a hose. It needs to be about the size of the rock or smaller so the rock sticks to it.

Pete156 · 03-22-2016, 12:17 AM

Get a stiff wire
Place a glob of epoxy on the end of the wire
Guide the wire onto the rock
Let epoxy set
Pull it all out as one

Ultramaroon · 03-22-2016, 01:45 PM

The more I think about your predicament, the more @go_a_way1's suggestion actually makes sense.

I think I'd rather pull the engine and flip it over on a stand before disassembling the timing chain cover.

If it doesn't work, you'd still have a nice controlled environment in which you could carefully proceed.

go_a_way1 · 03-22-2016, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

The more I think about your predicament, the more @go_a_way1's suggestion actually makes sense.

I think I'd rather pull the engine and flip it over on a stand before disassembling the timing chain cover.

If it doesn't work, you'd still have a nice controlled environment in which you could carefully proceed.

Exactly my pattern of thought. As dumb as it sounds it might work hahaha!!

stockysnail · 03-22-2016, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

The more I think about your predicament, the more @go_a_way1's suggestion actually makes sense.

I think I'd rather pull the engine and flip it over on a stand before disassembling the timing chain cover.

If it doesn't work, you'd still have a nice controlled environment in which you could carefully proceed.

Hopefully we can find all the Hulk-a-maniacs to get them to help flip it since Hogan's probably busy.

Ultramaroon · 03-22-2016, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stockysnail

Hopefully we can find all the Hulk-a-maniacs to get them to help flip it since Hogan's probably busy.

Engine stands are cheap. Stands and shop cranes can be rented. I have both but am in the middle of an Acura TL-sized headache.

03-21-2016, 03:44 PM	#1
Gbaby86 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Drives: 2013 Firestorm FRS 6-MT Location: Sandy OR Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Portland Area- Rock in motor need advice! New to the forum. Have searched a lot but just decided to sign up because i need advice from y'all who know this motor before i spend the $$ for the fix. Long story short went to change my oil Friday. Somehow a rock got in the funnel as i was transferring it to the oil filler and it went right in. So I had the rock sitting on top of the camshaft timing intake gear (if i would have known prior about the camshaft oil control valve i could have got it). Ended up pushing the rock down next to the timing exhaust gear below. Tried removing it through control valve with no luck. It is currently sitting right below the pulley. Between the pulley and the case i would say. Pretty tough angle to get between to scoop it out with anything. I would say i am at the point where i gotta break that case open. Not totally sure what that entails. Going to call around later today to get some quotes. If anyone on here knows a shop in the Portland/Gresham area that is familar with FA20's so i could get an accurate quote that would be appriciated! Weather or not its going to be spendy will be the deciding factor if i take on this project myself or not. Ive got a couple buddies that know motors pretty well but not the FA20 in particular. It would be nice to get input from someone on here that knows the motor real well. Thanks in advance for any input! Kody

03-21-2016, 04:31 PM	#3
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03-21-2016, 08:08 PM	#8
Jonesy86 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Drives: innovate sc frs Location: Portland Posts: 566 Thanks: 177 Thanked 315 Times in 181 Posts Mentioned: 82 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Buy my fa20 with a vortech sc. __________________ Corn fed, Intercooled Innovate sc tuned by vit viper, perrin crank pulley, raceng 72.5 mm pulley, Tomei EL header, Perrin front/mid pipe and 2.5 resonated exhaust, Cusco oil cooler, dual radium catch cans and more!

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Ultramaroon not playing cards Join Date: Sep 2014 Drives: a 13 e8h frs Location: vantucky, wa Posts: 32,395 Thanks: 53,053 Thanked 37,228 Times in 19,308 Posts Mentioned: 1118 Post(s) Tagged: 9 Thread(s)	The more I think about your predicament, the more @go_a_way1's suggestion actually makes sense. I think I'd rather pull the engine and flip it over on a stand before disassembling the timing chain cover. If it doesn't work, you'd still have a nice controlled environment in which you could carefully proceed. __________________ service manuals

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Gbaby86 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Drives: 2013 Firestorm FRS 6-MT Location: Sandy OR Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yea I tried using one of the grabbers. It was just too tight to get in

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Gbaby86 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Drives: 2013 Firestorm FRS 6-MT Location: Sandy OR Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Tried that as well when it was much higher in the case. Could feel the vacuum effect through the dipstick hole but no luck. Any ideas help!

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