NA tuning 9000rpm Element Tuning

[shdobxr]

Check out the ptuning header. With a tune and just that I hit 207 today.




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[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

The FA20 is barely in B18C territory. Not terribly impressive given the engine is nearly 2 decades newer.

At this engine size though, you dont need anything thatll flow like a fire hydrant. What you need is nice ass piston heads con rods and a billet crank and a semi closed deck; but thats expensive and heavy.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

At this engine size though, you dont need anything thatll flow like a fire hydrant. What you need is nice ass piston heads con rods and a billet crank and a semi closed deck; but thats expensive and heavy.

Tell that to a (also 2.0L) F20C, which flows nearly 25% more than a B18/FA20.

Exhaust gas evacuation is a major hinderance to making power with the FA20. That's why the Ace header makes such a huge power gain; it addresses the weakest point of the engine.

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Tell that to a (also 2.0L) F20C, which flows nearly 25% more than a B18/FA20.

Exhaust gas evacuation is a major hinderance to making power with the FA20. That's why the Ace header makes such a huge power gain; it addresses the weakest point of the engine.

I was literally thinking about the exhaust valves when i was typing that response...god damn it Mike lol.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

I was literally thinking about the exhaust valves when i was typing that response...god damn it Mike lol.

Too bad there's barely any space for huge valves...

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Too bad there's barely any space for huge valves...

If we're going to get into the nit and grit of the headwork, the unit itself is too small. The cams take up alot of the room which leaves little to the imagination for extended valve stems or any kind of over sized valves. Im sure the 2015 differences vs 2013 differences are minute, but I bet the newer cams are slimmer for the extended valve stems.

I just want them to do something about the rocker arms...

[celek]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Plus the tune, timing, and header. Chase NA power if you want to burn money. A cheap turbo kit will produce more power everywhere, all for less money.

Cheap
Reliable
Fast

Pick 2 , Don't think you will get 400+ WHP reliably with a turbo cheap.
You will still need to build because everyone is greedy. #justonemorepsi

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by celek

Cheap
Reliable
Fast

Pick 2 , Don't think you will get 400+ WHP reliably with a turbo cheap.
You will still need to build because everyone is greedy. #justonemorepsi

280WHP reliably is a turbo kit away. $3-4k and you're done. 4-5k if you want a custom tune and track-level cooling. 250WHP would take an inordinate amount of work, and the power would not be as usable - slower car. 400+WHP? Well, that's a different story. Then I'd call Element or another good shop, tell them your goals, and write a check.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

280WHP reliably is a turbo kit away. $3-4k and you're done. 4-5k if you want a custom tune and track-level cooling. 250WHP would take an inordinate amount of work, and the power would not be as usable - slower car. 400+WHP? Well, that's a different story. Then I'd call Element or another good shop, tell them your goals, and write a check.

I'd love to see this done... 5k for a 280whp turbo setup that won't overheat on me at the track, because if such a thing existed, I'd rather have 280whp on a turbo than 280whp on a SC.

[go_a_way1]

Originally Posted by celek

Cheap
Reliable
Fast

Pick 2 , Don't think you will get 400+ WHP reliably with a turbo cheap.
You will still need to build because everyone is greedy. #justonemorepsi

Cheap
Reliable
Fast

Pick 2

I live by those words

[EAGLE5]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

I'd love to see this done... 5k for a 280whp turbo setup that won't overheat on me at the track, because if such a thing existed, I'd rather have 280whp on a turbo than 280whp on a SC.

Most people will do just great in 25 minute sessions with just a big oil cooler and maybe a radiator. You, however, are some other kind of beast. On a 100+ degree day, all bets are off. I've seen a well-prepped Jackson SC overheat on a 115 degree day.

[Gear_One_Performance]

Originally Posted by go_a_way1

Cheap
Reliable
Fast

Pick 2

I live by those words

In this instance we also need to add "common" in 5 or 6 years time a lot of this stuff will be figured out and easy to come by, the NA guys are still working a lot of it out for the first time.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

Most people will do just great in 25 minute sessions with just a big oil cooler and maybe a radiator. You, however, are some other kind of beast. On a 100+ degree day, all bets are off. I've seen a well-prepped Jackson SC overheat on a 115 degree day.

Every single (literally, 100%) turbo FRS/BRZ owners who've taken my challenge, have both (initially):

- Had their cars overheat in 1 hot lap or less
- Overheated their own cars the same day, after seeing what the car can do with me behind the wheel; a demo of the car's capability changes your perspective dramatically.

Many of these owners now have cars that don't overheat, but are in far deeper than 5k (double to triple that for powertrain and supporting mods is a more common figure).

[mkivsoopra]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Every single (literally, 100%) turbo FRS/BRZ owners who've taken my challenge, have both (initially):

- Had their cars overheat in 1 hot lap or less
- Overheated their own cars the same day, after seeing what the car can do with me behind the wheel; a demo of the car's capability changes your perspective dramatically.

Many of these owners now have cars that don't overheat, but are in far deeper than 5k (double to triple that for powertrain and supporting mods is a more common figure).

+1 lol