Phantom FTS Electric Supercharger Owners Thread

[KoolBRZ]

Originally Posted by Sojhinn

I wait for the day you get e85 eagerly.


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I only hope I can do for E85 what I've done for the 91 Octane tunes.

[BRZ-y]

Thanks @Sojhinn @DAEMANO @KoolBRZ

I'm in a manual
Cal ID ZA1JA700C

I'll put it all back in the car on Tuesday night.

[stevo585]

So pretty much no one uses Ecutek with this kit? If I ever get a kit I will be tuned by my local James @ HRI tuning. Maybe I'll be the first to squeeze out a few extra horses vs. the OFT. I know NA runs better as I use to have an OFT.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by stevo585

So pretty much no one uses Ecutek with this kit? If I ever get a kit I will be tuned by my local James @ HRI tuning. Maybe I'll be the first to squeeze out a few extra horses vs. the OFT. I know NA runs better as I use to have an OFT.

No real point to going ECUTek other than to add a Flex fuel kit for e85. Still, I run e85 from concentrations of e50 to e90 on Shiv's OFT tune safely while making great power. The Phantom ESC runs about 5lbs of boost. At these low pressures OFT tuning with the MAF is just as effective as Speed Density tuning with ECUTek (another advantage of the near parasitic-free boost offered by Electric Supercharging, turbo/supercharging needs another couple of psi to make similar top end numbers). Squeezing out an extra couple of WHP may not be worth the extra $700 - $1k for an ECUTek setup and custom tune.

[stevo585]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

No real point to going ECUTek other than to add a Flex fuel kit for e85. Still, I run e85 from concentrations of e50 to e90 on Shiv's OFT tune safely while making great power. The Phantom ESC runs about 5lbs of boost. At these low pressures OFT tuning with the MAF is just as effective as Speed Density tuning with ECUTek (another advantage of the near parasitic-free boost offered by Electric Supercharging, turbo/supercharging needs another couple of psi to make similar top end numbers). Squeezing out an extra couple of WHP may not be worth the extra $700 - $1k for an ECUTek setup and custom tune.

Well maybe true but I have Ecutek already and I got a great deal on it. I say again the Ecutek is noticeably better than the OFT especially on e85 where you can go to MBT exactly. My fuel trims are also less than 1%. You can't argue a custom tune isn't better. The OFT is good I used it for over a year. Using fuel trim corrections for e% at WOT isn't the best either. Safe...probably.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by stevo585

Well maybe true but I have Ecutek already and I got a great deal on it. I say again the Ecutek is noticeably better than the OFT especially on e85 where you can go to MBT exactly. My fuel trims are also less than 1%. You can't argue a custom tune isn't better. The OFT is good I used it for over a year. Using fuel trim corrections for e% at WOT isn't the best either. Safe...probably.

Erm... Easy does it cowboy. No one is arguing that a custom tune isn't generally "better" than an OTS tune. My post is about how much a couple of extra WHP might cost. Great that you alrady have your ECUTek hardware. If you feel like paying for a custom tune, there's nothing wrong with that so more power to ya. To see how much more power a custom ECUTek tune will net all you gotta do is find Bob@DriftOffice's post about his ECUTek tuning session with the Phantom kit and compare it to Shiv's OTS OFT result for the same hardware. The difference is negligible and within margin of error.

[stevo585]

Originally Posted by DAEMANO

Erm... Easy does it cowboy. No one is arguing that a custom tune isn't generally "better" than an OTS tune. My post is about how much a couple of extra WHP might cost. Great that you alrady have your ECUTek hardware. If you feel like paying for a custom tune, there's nothing wrong with that so more power to ya. To see how much more power a custom ECUTek tune will net all you gotta do is find Bob@DriftOffice's post about his ECUTek tuning session with the Phantom kit and compare it to Shiv's OTS OFT result for the same hardware. The difference is negligible and within margin of error.

No doubt. My custom tune was less than the oft so no brainer there...no extra cost. I'll have to check that out didn't know that anyone even was tuned with Ecutek that's why I originally asked. Thanks.

[Sojhinn]

Originally Posted by stevo585

No doubt. My custom tune was less than the oft so no brainer there...no extra cost. I'll have to check that out didn't know that anyone even was tuned with Ecutek that's why I originally asked. Thanks.

Yeah my buddy @nlowell did


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[TM]

Originally Posted by stevo585

No doubt. My custom tune was less than the oft so no brainer there...no extra cost. I'll have to check that out didn't know that anyone even was tuned with Ecutek that's why I originally asked. Thanks.

Take a look at the owners config on the first or second post. There is (or was) at least 4 ecutek owners on the spreadsheet.


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[KoolBRZ]

I'm not debating the possibility of getting more from an Ecutek tune. I have no doubt that's possible. You can't share an Ecutek tune though. It isn't Open Source, so you could be sued for sharing it. It is Intellectual Property, and really the possession of the tuner. OFT uses Open Source software to tune, so I can share without violating IP laws. OFT users are finding out more every day how to use unknown memory addresses to change more and more parameters on the FT86 ECU. I wish someone could crack the transmission controller as well. I'm learning how to tune with my OFT, and it's really a love/hate relationship. If it runs bad, it's nobody's fault but mine. But when it runs good...

[stevo585]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

I'm not debating the possibility of getting more from an Ecutek tune. I have no doubt that's possible. You can't share an Ecutek tune though. It isn't Open Source, so you could be sued for sharing it. It is Intellectual Property, and really the possession of the tuner. OFT uses Open Source software to tune, so I can share without violating IP laws. OFT users are finding out more every day how to use unknown memory addresses to change more and more parameters on the FT86 ECU. I wish someone could crack the transmission controller as well. I'm learning how to tune with my OFT, and it's really a love/hate relationship. If it runs bad, it's nobody's fault but mine. But when it runs good...

Is that how it works the tune is IP. Isn't just the software license? Well anyways my tuner doesn't lock his tunes and I have access to it. But I leave that to the professionals not sure I even want to mess with it...your a braver man than me lol.

[Luckrider]

Originally Posted by stevo585

Is that how it works the tune is IP. Isn't just the software license? Well anyways my tuner doesn't lock his tunes and I have access to it. But I leave that to the professionals not sure I even want to mess with it...your a braver man than me lol.

In the grand scheme of things (since licensing and IP are being a bit misconstrued here), you are only licensing ECUtek's software to modify the tune and run the locked tune on your car. Think of ECUtek as Window's for your computer. You pay for a license and you have the rights to use the software.

The tuner's tune is like a program written to handle your car's specific hardware, like an application that you might contract a programmer to write to have your computer blink so lights and play music. This software's owner is a little trickier and depends on how the contract is setup with your tuner. Some tuners will sell you locked access to your tune; this would operate like the software license listed above. The more acceptable to handle this (from a software developer aspect) is that you are contracting the tuner to write your tune for you, and you are paying for the full IP. This isn't how all tuners handle it, and in fact, different courts in different jurisdictions would possibly rule differently should the sale of the tune not explicitly list who owns it (or possibly overturn who the real owner is).

[Lord09]

Apologies if this isn't the correct place for these questions, but I've seen some 1.5 kits on the for sale forums here lately and since new kits seem like they have a 2 year waiting list, I was hoping to get some input on the following questions:

1. Anyone mind going over the differences between the 1.5 and 2.0 kits?
2. Any reason to avoid the 1.5 kits?
3. Partial boost seems like a huge upgrade, is the Procede controller compatible?

I've done my best to search, but I haven't found any concrete info.

So if anyone could provide any input I'd appreciate it.

[TM]

Originally Posted by Lord09

Apologies if this isn't the correct place for these questions, but I've seen some 1.5 kits on the for sale forums here lately and since new kits seem like they have a 2 year waiting list, I was hoping to get some input on the following questions:

1. Anyone mind going over the differences between the 1.5 and 2.0 kits?
2. Any reason to avoid the 1.5 kits?
3. Partial boost seems like a huge upgrade, is the Procede controller compatible?

I've done my best to search, but I haven't found any concrete info.

So if anyone could provide any input I'd appreciate it.

1. The biggest differences are a lighter compressor wheel, better cooling on the controller, re-program spool up, new activation harness (2-step boost), voltmeter, and some other stuff.

2. No reason to avoid them. They still run great and the power difference is minimal to non-existent. You can also choose to send it back to rob to upgrade the internals to the v2.0/3.0 kits. But I wouldn't unless something needs to be repaired.

3. Yup, the procede is compatible with all current versions of the kit.


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