Second Generation FT86 Confirmed

[chaoskaze]

2nd gen we are looking @ 2020 model ......so ya....... it's gonna be a long~~ wait.

[Justin.b]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

What car has gotten significantly better in the second generation? Especially a sports car? They always get heavier with the edges taken off (some say it's already happened with the new FR-S spring rates being taken from the BRZ).

Seems to happen with every car. A modern Civic absolutely dwarfs an Accord from the 80's.

I know it happens, but I don't have to like it.

-Justin

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

What car has gotten significantly better in the second generation? Especially a sports car? They always get heavier with the edges taken off (some say it's already happened with the new FR-S spring rates being taken from the BRZ).

Well, the ND got lighter but lost even more edge so I guess that's a wash.

Yep...Supra, rx7, 300zx, wrx, mustang, corvette, lotus, etc...

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

People often mistake advancement with losing the edge. Which Integra was the best? Not the first gen. Which Supra? Which RX-7? There's no rule here. Any new generation of twin will be turboed because of fuel economy requirements. I'd like to see an EV version. That would be a blast.

This. It all depends really. Some are worse, others are better.

[Packofcrows]

Off-topic:





New Subbie produced in Lafayette?

I see a decrease in sales incoming. I'm sure they testing waters and anyway wish to lower sales numbers but....'murica? FWD/pos car incoming.

I wouldn't buy a Toyota, Honda or any Japan import if made in America.

[Justin.b]

How many Japanese branded cars are still made in Japan for the US market? Most of our VW's come from Mexico. BMWs are made all over the place, including the US and South Africa. I think a good portion of the 'American' brands are built in Mexico or Canada.

I found the window sticker from my 98 Civic in a file a few weeks ago. I had believed that car was made in Japan and they started building later generations in the US, but it was a US-built car.

I know I see trailerloads of Subarus heading out for delivery whenever I'm in Indiana.

Seriously, though, which Japanese models are still imported from Japan instead of built here? Anyone have a list?

-Justin

[Ramn]

Originally Posted by Packofcrows

http://cdn.slowrobot.com/12282012165813.jpg

God


They probably won't make too many changes for another 2 years. I am just throwing numbers in the air, though.

[Packofcrows]

Originally Posted by Justin.b

Seriously, though, which Japanese models are still imported from Japan instead of built here? Anyone have a list?

-Justin

Here ya go Justin http://forums.redflagdeals.com/cars-...japan-1167364/

BMW, VW.... SMOG.

LOL I don't like those cars anyways. I'm a big Asia fan. I'll even take a Hyundai over a M3, given that the Hyundai is a Genesis or nasty Veloster.

[Justin.b]

Originally Posted by Packofcrows

Here ya go Justin http://forums.redflagdeals.com/cars-...japan-1167364/

BMW, VW.... SMOG.

LOL I don't like those cars anyways. I'm a big Asia fan. I'll even take a Hyundai over a M3, given that the Hyundai is a Genesis or nasty Veloster.

They all seem to just be getting it wrong. Every time someone claims a car is imported from Japan, there's someone responding with the actual plant location in the US.

I'll just have to read window stickers more closely. Next car is probably a Focus ST, so at least I won't have to be disappointed to find out it wasn;t made in Japan.

-Justin

[Ganthrithor]

In before we discover that the second generation car is the same car with a new front bumper cover and different OEM wheels.

[EAGLE5]

I'm pretty sure our Forester came from Japan because they picked it up from the port. There's no magic in Japan, though. Much and maybe even most of quality comes from processes and design, assembly workers. Except in British cars.

[fang_gt86]

It's safe to say 2nd gen will be more expensive and heavier. lol

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Justin.b

How many Japanese branded cars are still made in Japan for the US market? Most of our VW's come from Mexico. BMWs are made all over the place, including the US and South Africa. I think a good portion of the 'American' brands are built in Mexico or Canada.

I found the window sticker from my 98 Civic in a file a few weeks ago. I had believed that car was made in Japan and they started building later generations in the US, but it was a US-built car.

I know I see trailerloads of Subarus heading out for delivery whenever I'm in Indiana.

Seriously, though, which Japanese models are still imported from Japan instead of built here? Anyone have a list?

-Justin

As of next year all Mitsubishis are back to being built in Japan. Which is fine since they have done away with all the good ones anyway.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

People often mistake advancement with losing the edge. Which Integra was the best? Not the first gen. Which Supra? Which RX-7? There's no rule here. Any new generation of twin will be turboed because of fuel economy requirements. I'd like to see an EV version. That would be a blast.

Oooh, good call with those cars, however I would argue quite staunchly that the best generations were NOT the last generations with the DC5 Integra picking up weight and MacPherson struts, the MK4 Supra being more a grand-touring car than the sportier Mk2 & 3 and the FD being rather unattainable and tempermental compared to the much more reliable and playful FB/FC, not to mention the FE could be accused of not having a fraction of the edge of the 7's.

Originally Posted by raven1231

Yep...Supra, rx7, 300zx, wrx, mustang, corvette, lotus, etc...



This. It all depends really. Some are worse, others are better.

Well, 300zx was definitely less a sports car than other Z's, I don't think anyone would honestly take it over a 240Z-280Z, the new WRX is a V6 Camry in styling and performance and the STI is using a 15 year old engine vs. lightweight and tossable bugeye, Mustang is a muscle/pony car finally entering the late 20th century with IRS, definitely an improvement there (after many generations with one step forward two steps back), Corvette can't take track abuse, and Lotus currently only offers the Evora (heaviest lotus to date I think? what a sham) in the U.S. and to my knowledge hasn't significantly reworked a car in well over a decade (Thank god Danny Bahar didn't get the chance to follow through on his 'vision').



With the exception of the Mustang and Elise, I think I prefer an earlier generation of ALL the cars listed over the latest generation when it comes to using them as sporting vehicles, HPDE/AutoX/weekend driving.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Ganthrithor

In before we discover that the second generation car is the same car with a new front bumper cover and different OEM wheels.

Nah that would not be a second gen just a refreash.
You want to be in before we find that the second gen is a heavy, bloated, hybred, expensive touring coupe that left it's roots behind in the never ending quest for larger market share.