OFT Stage 2 Tune comparable to stock 02-07 wrx?

[DarkSunrise]

The acceleration will only be comparable if you're in the absolute lowest gear possible. If you're even one gear too high, the WRX will have a substantial advantage because of its midrange torque.

Sorry but unless you daily drive with your RPMs constantly above 5000 RPM, it will not feel the same in day-to-day driving.

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza

Might sound like a stupid question, but I'm just wondering. I plan to go with the OFT stage 2 running Tomei EL Headers.

I know this setup gives you roughly 20whp..so like 24hp?

"Catless header with tune (petrol) around 20 wheel hp"

So, let's for the sake of it just say the FRS now is 200hp, it will be at 220hp.

Playing in the factor of weight, would this car be comparable to a lets say, stock 2002 wrx which had 227hp?

I'm just asking because when i first bought my wrx it was stock and i loved the power of it for daily driving. Just wondering if stage 2 would be comparable to that? If so I'd be very happy

Nah dude. The FRS will never be comparable. What your WRX had was torque from being turbo. FRS/BRZ is a peaky torque'less high revver. Two totally different powerbands from two totally different design concepts. Even if you went with a stage 2 NA tune, you would just make a bump in power across the rev range and that's it. From your post, I think what you want is torque band. You won't get that from the FA20 no matter how hard you NA tune it. You simply cannot replicate the onslaught of torque like what you would get in a factory turbo car like your WRX.

Your WRX felt better as a daily because of the initial onset of torque from being turbo. Daily driving is a pleasure. It simply picks up quicker and makes it zippy to drive. Torque. The FRS, it's NA and has high revving characteristics. You will need forced induction if you want that torque. Any NA tune will never come close to offering the powerband of a turbocharger (sized accordingly of course!). A stage 2 tune would just bump power across the revs. You still would have to rev it out and that's where is shines. You're gonna have to look into forced induction if you want quick torque delivery like your WRX.

But something I found...

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhY-hugsJZQ"]Scion frs vs subaru wrx 2 - YouTube[/ame]

I actually think the FRS didn't do too badly for it being NA. Both cars looks modded but the FRS is definitely NA!

[stevo585]

Torque is misleading. Quarter mile times tell the real rate of acceleration at wot.

[jawn]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

The acceleration will only be comparable if you're in the absolute lowest gear possible. If you're even one gear too high, the WRX will have a substantial advantage because of its midrange torque.

Sorry but unless you daily drive with your RPMs constantly above 5000 RPM, it will not feel the same in day-to-day driving.

There's something to be said about driving styles. If you're only using 0-4000RPM, then yeah, a WRX's going to be faster. A TDI Golf would probably be faster. But we didn't buy cars that rev to over 7000RPM for how it drives below 3000RPM.

[chickencornsoup]

check it out the link below: Frs na stage 2 oft vs stage 2 wrx

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu4HIxLEq1o"]Frs na stage 2 oft vs stage 2 wrx - YouTube[/ame]

[Wayno]

Originally Posted by chickencornsoup

check it out the link below: Frs na stage 2 oft vs stage 2 wrx

98 or E85?

[andrew5826]

all this stage 1 and stage 2 stuff is just marketing crap.

get a good headers and e85 if possible and it'll be fast enough for most people if you know how to drive it.
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_EMoyfr_BU"]Subaru BRZ JDL UEL E85 0-130 km/h pull - YouTube[/ame]

[Wayno]

I don't think you know what you're talking about mate. Different headers need different valve timing compared to stock, so they definitely need separate names. It's not marketing to work on a car with stock headers for a whole day, then produce a different tune when not in stock headers another day.

[chickencornsoup]

Originally Posted by Wayno

98 or E85?

According to the youtuber Dust88 : it was Oft stage 2 pump gas.

Also see this:

[Quote from youtube Dlust88 1 year ago]
He sold his bug eye and bought a 2015 wrx. At 2800 miles we raced again he was stock. This time i beat him. E85 oft same mods
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[hmong337]

Originally Posted by chickencornsoup

check it out the link below: Frs na stage 2 oft vs stage 2 wrx

Just as I expected. That video seems right.

I believe the big part of the FRS hanging with that WRX is because of it's aero and weight. The WRX has got to have atleast a good 60-80whp on that FRS yet the FRS keeps up.

Subaru is solely known for rallying. They never built any sort of GT style race car where aerodynamics are heavily involved. The truth is, Subaru makes bricks because in rallying you never get up to high speeds where aerodynamics play their role. I say give both STi and FRS 600hp, I have to think the FRS will achieve I higher top speed overall. I bet it could do it with less power too.

[andrew5826]

Originally Posted by Wayno

I don't think you know what you're talking about mate. Different headers need different valve timing compared to stock, so they definitely need separate names. It's not marketing to work on a car with stock headers for a whole day, then produce a different tune when not in stock headers another day.

that's not the point I was making... obviously between el and uel and even different uel headers there's optimal cam tuning for each one.

I'm saying "my frs is stage 3++ with ultra non generic tune" is a dumb way to compare your car when staged upgrades are completely arbitrary to the brand that's pushing them

[drewbot]

Originally Posted by hmong337

Subaru is solely known for rallying. They never built any sort of GT style race car where aerodynamics are heavily involved.

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by drewbot

That's a race car. And Toyota designed ft86.

Subaru never built cars like the Supra, NSX, or rx7. They shoved all their tech into their econobox and went rallying where aero isn't heavily relied upon.

[drewbot]

Originally Posted by hmong337

That's a race car. And Toyota designed ft86.

Subaru never built cars like the Supra, NSX, or rx7. They shoved all their tech into their econobox and went rallying where aero isn't heavily relied upon.

Two years ago, Subaru Tecnica International Inc. (STI) announced plans to replace its Legacy-bodied race car in the GT300 class of the 2012 SUPER GT. That replacement was the BRZ GT300. Then with the experience of a few races in 2012, STI carried over the car for 2013 with aerodynamic and chassis tweaks that add to its competitiveness.

http://driveperformance.subaru.com/d...brz-gt300.aspx