Good comparison

[why?]

Originally Posted by brandonblt2

The gearing may be the reason it's slower but that does not change the fact that it is slower than the manual.



hmm....not really sure where you guys are getting that the auto is faster or just has fast as the manual. The auto is a full second slower to 60 and nearly 50 pounds heavier. Heres a link to show the auto is slower http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...tomatic-review

And sure it's more useful if you don't want to use a clutch but it's the opposite of useful with you want to use one.

well for one the gearing could make it actually have a higher top speed.

but more importantly from someone who would know:
"I found the MT almost challengingly busy on the raceway, and unless I have driven this thing for weeks, my body's natural muscle memory lacking was a handicap for the one day I only had on the track. This explains why most journalists at the event were also posting similar or faster laps with the paddle shift mode of the AT. And I'm no foreigner to MT shifting on the track, having won a few shiny sticks on wood in SCCA with many cars."

or, "The ratio from 1-4th are pretty close to the MT, and if you know racing on tracks with 200hp lightweight cars, 1-4th are the only gears you'd use for racetracks anyway, outside of very big tracks like Laguna Seca or Super Speedway based infields. So argument about 5th and 6th being away from 4th is sort of a moot point for most enthusiasts as well. At medium speed Spring Mountain Racepark, where fastest trap in the straight was about 104mph, it was still in the middle of 4th gear and only for 2-3 seconds before dropping to 3rd again. Get what I mean?"

And certainly more usefull for dd. "Also on the more mundane side of the deal, the ultra tall 6th gear proved to be very quiet on the highway, revving almost 800rpm less in cruise than in the MT at 85mph (the usual Interstate rural highway speeds in the USA). And fuel consumption also will reflect this as well." Although I have no idea why he thinks 85 is. "the usual Interstate rural highway speeds in the USA."

There is a thing as too close ratio, and the 86 transmission seems to have found it.

[brandonblt2]

Originally Posted by why?

well for one the gearing could make it actually have a higher top speed.

but more importantly from someone who would know:
"I found the MT almost challengingly busy on the raceway, and unless I have driven this thing for weeks, my body's natural muscle memory lacking was a handicap for the one day I only had on the track. This explains why most journalists at the event were also posting similar or faster laps with the paddle shift mode of the AT. And I'm no foreigner to MT shifting on the track, having won a few shiny sticks on wood in SCCA with many cars."

or, "The ratio from 1-4th are pretty close to the MT, and if you know racing on tracks with 200hp lightweight cars, 1-4th are the only gears you'd use for racetracks anyway, outside of very big tracks like Laguna Seca or Super Speedway based infields. So argument about 5th and 6th being away from 4th is sort of a moot point for most enthusiasts as well. At medium speed Spring Mountain Racepark, where fastest trap in the straight was about 104mph, it was still in the middle of 4th gear and only for 2-3 seconds before dropping to 3rd again. Get what I mean?"

And certainly more usefull for dd. "Also on the more mundane side of the deal, the ultra tall 6th gear proved to be very quiet on the highway, revving almost 800rpm less in cruise than in the MT at 85mph (the usual Interstate rural highway speeds in the USA). And fuel consumption also will reflect this as well." Although I have no idea why he thinks 85 is. "the usual Interstate rural highway speeds in the USA."

There is a thing as too close ratio, and the 86 transmission seems to have found it.

Well these cars are drag limited for top speed so gearing does not come into play unless you had some more power. And sure on the track it may be faster do to it being easier but I was talking about just spiritedly driving the car or a quick race between lights while commuting to work, the manual would be quicker off the line since we can dump the clutch. And mpg I get auto numbers or higher usually on highways. I usually average 33 mpg using rural backroads

[HunterGreene]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Well you apparently didn't hit your head too hard if you retained enough sense to get the hell out of Ohio! (Sorry @HunterGreene )

At least I have the common sense to live south of Lake Erie instead of north of it.

[why?]

Originally Posted by brandonblt2

Well these cars are drag limited for top speed so gearing does not come into play unless you had some more power. And sure on the track it may be faster do to it being easier but I was talking about just spiritedly driving the car or a quick race between lights while commuting to work, the manual would be quicker off the line since we can dump the clutch. And mpg I get auto numbers or higher usually on highways. I usually average 33 mpg using rural backroads

yea and that can be. It is just not as cut and dry as people like to make it. And I have no idea why you would want to dump your clutch. That is just asking for it to blow.