Legal Question

[Mitchlubanko]

Quick question:

I just got a berk technology track pipe, and a JT catless front pipe. Sounds super loud! Just wondering how much trouble I can get in if pulled over and caught without cats?

[juliog]

Worst possible scenario: you're stopped by CHP for whatever reason, and if officer is 99% sure you are running catless, and wants to ruin your day, he can have your car impounded and get you a state ref ticket. However they don't do this often because false negatives can get the officer/s in trouble.

Just remember that in CA any modification to intake or exhaust system is illegal unless the part in question comes with a CARB EO Exemption sticker.

[shu5892001]

There is a cat in the header, you are not catless

[mid_life_crisis]

Originally Posted by shu5892001

There is a cat in the header, you are not catless

True, but he removed a functioning factory cat, which is a federal offense.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Mitchlubanko

Quick question:

I just got a berk technology track pipe, and a JT catless front pipe. Sounds super loud! Just wondering how much trouble I can get in if pulled over and caught without cats?

I have no idea, but I suspect you will run it that way ...... and find out .....


humfrz

[ryoma]

to be honest, it depends on the area you live in. if you have a lot of police actively patrolling your local streets, play it safe and stick with just a catback. if you got balls and don't care, go all out. in my area, they have been cracking down on "street racers" and any modified car they pull over gets an on site inspection. granted though, most cops don't understand a lot of stuff about cars but they just look for shiny things lol

this is just me, but I would rather go with a catted front pipe or another cat back that keeps the volume down to attract less attention.

[Mr.ac]

Really loud as fuck? What the fuck you think will happen? Your going to get pulled over sooner or later.
Drive it till you get pulled over for noise violation. Then if your and idiot and leave your car running the cop will have more than enough legal reason to ask you to pop your hood. Then wait till you get fined and sent to the smog ref.
By then I hope you put everything back to stock and pass. Unless your and idiot and go in with mods then you'll get fined again just by showing up on noise only.

By then you get asked a second time, hopefully by then you'll be back to stock and pass.
Then you'll have to pay the fines from the first and second ticket.

[Bergen23]

Originally Posted by Mr.ac

Really loud as fuck? What the fuck you think will happen? Your going to get pulled over sooner or later.
Drive it till you get pulled over for noise violation. Then if your and idiot and leave your car running the cop will have more than enough legal reason to ask you to pop your hood. Then wait till you get fined and sent to the smog ref.
By then I hope you put everything back to stock and pass. Unless your and idiot and go in with mods then you'll get fined again just by showing up on noise only.

By then you get asked a second time, hopefully by then you'll be back to stock and pass.
Then you'll have to pay the fines from the first and second ticket.

If you continue to use the wrong "your/you're" and say "your and idiot" instead of "you're an idiot", who do you think actually comes away looking like an idiot?

[Mr.ac]

Thanks grammar nazi. Oops I forgot to capitalize the n
Please continue to double check every ones posts for grammar/spelling errors. We need more brave people like you to make this evil internet world perfect grammar/spellers

May the day you make a grammar/spelling mistake never come. I'm worried you'll commit suicide. Just know that life is worth living, and everyone will forgive you for a grammar/spelling error on a public forum. But keep fighting the good fight. I'll support you 110% even though I'm a low down drity evil bad grammar/speller.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Mitchlubanko

Quick question:

I just got a berk technology track pipe, and a JT catless front pipe. Sounds super loud! Just wondering how much trouble I can get in if pulled over and caught without cats?

You want worst case? ALL of the following can happen at the same time.

- You will get an emissions ticket. This is a federal offense
- You will get a second ticket, indicating that you were issued a verbal warning that you must immediately drive your car either home or to a garage
- You will get a noise ticket for your car being too loud.
- Your car will be impounded for suspected street racing (illegal performance modifications)

Lets say your car doesn't get impounded.

- You CANNOT drive your car until it is reffered.
- If you drive, and get caught (pulled over, plate is run, get a red light ticket, etc.), you will immediately have the car impounded, get a 2 point moving violation. I don't remember if this is a misdemeanor or not.
- You cannot even legally drive your car to the Ref. You must TOW it.
- You get scheduled in for a ref inspection, on the Ref's schedule. If CA's budget forces the refs to shut down, you can't drive your car at all.


I can go on and on; it's not pretty.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Mr.ac

Thanks grammar nazi. Oops I forgot to capitalize the n
Please continue to double check every ones posts for grammar/spelling errors. We need more brave people like you to make this evil internet world perfect grammar/spellers

May the day you make a grammar/spelling mistake never come. I'm worried you'll commit suicide. Just know that life is worth living, and everyone will forgive you for a grammar/spelling error on a public forum. But keep fighting the good fight. I'll support you 110% even though I'm a low down drity evil bad grammar/speller.

[humfrz]

ol @Tcoat just couldn't let that one pass ......


humfrz

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

You want worst case? ALL of the following can happen at the same time.

I do not know if it is the same in the U.S. as here but insurance companies here stipulate in their polices that a car must be in roadworthy condition to be covered. This means if there are any illegal modifications then the car does not meet legislation therefore not roadworthy.

Illegal mods are a low risk/high impact scenario. The chances of getting caught with unobtrusive mods are slim. The probability of having an accident is slim. The probability of having an accident and getting found out with illegal mods (regardless if it is your fault or not) is minuscule. But by f*ck best of luck should you be unlucky enough.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

I do not know if it is the same in the U.S. as here but insurance companies here stipulate in their polices that a car must be in roadworthy condition to be covered. This means if there are any illegal modifications then the car does not meet legislation therefore not roadworthy.

Illegal mods are a low risk/high impact scenario. The chances of getting caught with unobtrusive mods are slim. The probability of having an accident is slim. The probability of having an accident and getting found out with illegal mods (regardless if it is your fault or not) is minuscule. But by f*ck best of luck should you be unlucky enough.

All it takes is passing the wrong cop on the wrong day. It happens a lot more often than you'd think, but the *cost* of getting caught can be fairly low if you spend the money to return the car to stock. The cost of the ref/inspection can be as low as $25 processing and $8.75 inspection, if the car shows up legal to the state ref.

Now emissions tampering? You have to REALLY piss off a cop for that...