Am I choosing the right brake pad?

[strat61caster]

After I hurriedly did my second track day on XP10's and 'bedded' them on track in session 1 after driving down (~70 miles freeway) on them, I've stopped bothering, I can't tell the difference between properly bedded and not (other than the squeal like stuck pigs in the wrong conditions) and they are overkill for my n00b ass with tons of life after 3x track days and ~7x autocrosses.

It all depends on the experience you bring to the table, banging out professional level times your first day in the car? BBK is probably in your future. Happy you nailed 5/10 of the apexes at close to optimum speed? Pads and fluid will last you awhile.

[Cop]

Originally Posted by SkiRideDrive

Not the 5.. I live 100 ft from it, and it always has cars on it.

15 South on a Thursday.

[CounterSpace Garage]

Originally Posted by SkiRideDrive

Not the 5.. I live 100 ft from it, and it always has cars on it.

Yeaa...will not disclose what has been performed in the past and present.

[Toyarzee]

I'm going to send out a memo to the 405 freeway that it is closed after midnight next sunday for a test and tune...

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

After I hurriedly did my second track day on XP10's and 'bedded' them on track in session 1 after driving down (~70 miles freeway) on them, I've stopped bothering, I can't tell the difference between properly bedded and not (other than the squeal like stuck pigs in the wrong conditions) and they are overkill for my n00b ass with tons of life after 3x track days and ~7x autocrosses.

It all depends on the experience you bring to the table, banging out professional level times your first day in the car? BBK is probably in your future. Happy you nailed 5/10 of the apexes at close to optimum speed? Pads and fluid will last you awhile.

Too much is always better than not enough, when it comes to brakes.

Have you considered getting some coaching to improve your technique?

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Have you considered getting some coaching to improve your technique?

Yes most definitely on the table, at this point my mistakes are easy to observe in the moment (turning in too early, too early on the brakes, not hard enough on the brakes, abrupt brake release, not enough speed through the corner, too much throttle, not enough throttle, missed that apex, didn't straighten out the wheel soon enough, didn't track out enough etc. etc. etc.)



For the money (assuming you mean paid coaching) I feel that seat time will be my biggest benefit at this point, 5x track days and I've got a decent handle on Laguna but Thill wass tough to remember at 4.8 miles and ~27 turns, I was only just stringing it together at the end of the day, 2nd time up there and 1st time on the East section so I'm a bit down on myself at the moment (hence the n00b comments, it quickly becomes apparent that I've got so much left to develop). I need familiarization with the limits of traction, while a coach in the seat (or reviewing data) can certainly egg me on, I do need to break the mental barriers down myself.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Yes most definitely on the table, at this point my mistakes are easy to observe in the moment (turning in too early, too early on the brakes, not hard enough on the brakes, abrupt brake release, not enough speed through the corner, too much throttle, not enough throttle, missed that apex, didn't straighten out the wheel soon enough, didn't track out enough etc. etc. etc.)



For the money (assuming you mean paid coaching) I feel that seat time will be my biggest benefit at this point, 5x track days and I've got a decent handle on Laguna but Thill wass tough to remember at 4.8 miles and ~27 turns, I was only just stringing it together at the end of the day, 2nd time up there and 1st time on the East section so I'm a bit down on myself at the moment (hence the n00b comments, it quickly becomes apparent that I've got so much left to develop). I need familiarization with the limits of traction, while a coach in the seat (or reviewing data) can certainly egg me on, I do need to break the mental barriers down myself.

Coaching improves the quality of your seat time.

You recognize your mistakes, but you're still making them. A coach would be there to enforce corrections, and thus, you walk away a better driver with one day of coaching than you do in 3 days of seat time by yourself.

I wouldn't have a large student base if this were not the case; what is the total cost of 1 day with coaching, vs 3 days without? Don't forget brake wear, tires, entry feels, fuel, etc.

[Cop]

Originally Posted by CounterSpace Garage

Yeaa...will not disclose what has been performed in the past and present.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Cop

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[juliog]

RBF600/660 overheat too easily.. with 225 RS3 and PMU CR pads I would need to bleed or flush after every event.

PMU G-Four or Torque RT700 take heat much better and you can go more events without bleeding or flushing.

[strat61caster]

@CSG Mike point well taken, where I was at in session 5 could have easily been accomplished in session 3 with a good coach a few days ago. So any suggestions for NorCal coaches or general instruction?
Understood if you want to take the discussion to PM, figure I'd ask now before it slips my mind and it might help other curious on-lookers.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by juliog

RBF600/660 overheat too easily.. with 225 RS3 and PMU CR pads I would need to bleed or flush after every event.

PMU G-Four or Torque RT700 take heat much better and you can go more events without bleeding or flushing.

I didn't realize track people WEREN'T giving a quick bleed/top-up at every event?

I know tons of people with everything from Terminator's (03-04 Cobra) to Miata's, E90 M3s that track on ATE (including myself) with a much lower boiling point than the RBF stuff (think 536 dry).

If you're boiling 600° degree fluid on street tires with proper pads, you're on the brakes too softly for too long (by doing this you give the brakes less time to cool down between applications, so while you're putting the same thermal energy into them, they end up with less time to shed that heat) vs proper threshold braking.

Or you're a semi-pro on a track that destroys brakes.

[juliog]

I just drive flat-out

My DBA rotors saw anywhere between 550-600C according to the thermo graphic paint markings.

RT700 + AP BBK + PMU999: no bleeding or flushing in 8 months, 6 track days and lots of canyons. Just did a full flush now, but could've kept going.

RT700 on my S2000 with stock brakes and Winmax W4: 6 months, 2 track days and lots of canyons. Pedal just starting to feel a bit soft now.

[OkieSnuffBox]

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