Check out this car fire I tried to help at on Saturday

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by TheBracketeer

This now makes 5 car fires I have witnessed first hand. Re-emphasises my passion to get a fire extinguisher in every car.

I still have to ask you: do you still think it's a good idea to mount one behind the passenger seat of the FRS/BRZ?

Imagine a wreck like this, do you think the placement would make sense, and would anyone be able to reach it?

-alex

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mav1178

I still have to ask you: do you still think it's a good idea to mount one behind the passenger seat of the FRS/BRZ?

Imagine a wreck like this, do you think the placement would make sense, and would anyone be able to reach it?

-alex

I am never in favour of mounting anything like that in the cabin of a street driven car. Unless the placement and bracket system have been properly crash tested I would be more concerned about the thing becoming a missile in the event of a crash then how available it is for use. These types of devices should always be mounted in the trunk and away from occupants. If there is no time to grab an extinguisher from a trunk mount then it is going to be of little or no value to you anyway.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I am never in favour of mounting anything like that in the cabin of a street driven car. Unless the placement and bracket system have been properly crash tested I would be more concerned about the thing becoming a missile in the event of a crash then how available it is for use. These types of devices should always be mounted in the trunk and away from occupants. If there is no time to grab an extinguisher from a trunk mount then it is going to be of little or no value to you anyway.

I agree, I only asked because my original inquiry was ignored.

-alex

[TheBracketeer]

Originally Posted by mav1178

I agree, I only asked because my original inquiry was ignored.

-alex

It wasn't ignored Alex ... Check my earlier postings and look at the photos.

There is plenty of room behind the seat for the bracket and an extinguisher and it is easy to access. If the seat is 100% in its backwards position, then yes you may need to grab the handle, slide the passenger seat forward slightly first, HOWEVER it is still quicker than accessing the trunk (which will be jammed shut if you've been rear-ended anyway) AND its better than not having one at all.

Trust me ... Once you've witnessed your first car fire, you'll wish you had one. Now make that x 5 and you will get why I won't drive a car without one.

[TheBracketeer]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I am never in favour of mounting anything like that in the cabin of a street driven car. Unless the placement and bracket system have been properly crash tested I would be more concerned about the thing becoming a missile in the event of a crash then how available it is for use. These types of devices should always be mounted in the trunk and away from occupants. If there is no time to grab an extinguisher from a trunk mount then it is going to be of little or no value to you anyway.

Sorry ... That's incorrect. An extinguisher in the trunk is a waste of time ... Unless you witness's someone else's car fire and wish to help.

Chances are if you are in an accident, you are rear ended and the trunk is jammed ... Now how to you get it? Or the fire starts in the trunk if you have car audio components back there or the battery, as in the case of my Camaro ... Or perhaps you are stuck in the passenger compartment with the doors jammed shut ... And there is a fire.

Yes , I get your concern re it becoming a projectile, however when the bracket is installed as per the instructions, it is as secure as the seats themselves. I have shown it to professional race car drivers, mechanics and even mechanical engineers, and the first thing they do is grab it and try and move it ... Every single one of them has said something along the lines of "man that thing is solid ... It's not going anywhere".

I'd be more concerned with having a loose iPhone, iPad or laptop bag flying around the car.

Each to their own I guess ... But the pros of having it out way the cons immeasurably in my opinion.

[DuMa]

wow i live right by there too. bear street going up the bridge overpassing the 405 is very easy to get up to speed.

[TheBracketeer]

Originally Posted by DuMa

wow i live right by there too. bear street going up the bridge overpassing the 405 is very easy to get up to speed.

This was just off the 73 exit ... They were heading west on Bear at the intersection before the 73

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by TheBracketeer

It wasn't ignored Alex ... Check my earlier postings and look at the photos.

There is plenty of room behind the seat for the bracket and an extinguisher and it is easy to access. If the seat is 100% in its backwards position, then yes you may need to grab the handle, slide the passenger seat forward slightly first, HOWEVER it is still quicker than accessing the trunk (which will be jammed shut if you've been rear-ended anyway) AND its better than not having one at all.

Trust me ... Once you've witnessed your first car fire, you'll wish you had one. Now make that x 5 and you will get why I won't drive a car without one.

I will go make a POV GoPro video w/ my fire extinguisher + the seat in the same position as the driver's seat to illustrate how absurd it is to get behind the passenger side front seat in a normal seating position.

Again, you have not convinced me that the rear mounting position is of any benefit versus mounting in a trunk other than accessibility in a serious accident.

-alex

[TheBracketeer]

Originally Posted by mav1178

I will go make a POV GoPro video w/ my fire extinguisher + the seat in the same position as the driver's seat to illustrate how absurd it is to get behind the passenger side front seat in a normal seating position.

Again, you have not convinced me that the rear mounting position is of any benefit versus mounting in a trunk other than accessibility in a serious accident.

-alex

"other than accessibility in a serious accident" Seriously?????? ... Ummmmm ... yep .... that would be reason enough for me.

I have sold them to FRS drivers who have installed them behind the seat.

They are extremely happy with them there. If you don't like the idea ... then please, feel free not to buy one and not to mount it there.

BTW ... here is one such install, with the seat back where the owner of the car wanted it.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by TheBracketeer

They are extremely happy with them there. If you don't like the idea ... then please, feel free not to buy one and not to mount it there.

Don't be offended by what I am saying... I am pointing out that there is no room behind the front passenger seat, and that a normal adult of my height (5'9") would sit in the passenger seat in such a manner as to make access to anything mounted on the passenger side rear floorpan all but impossible. I really don't think it's that bad for me to question fitment of a safety device as important as you make it out to be.

What is worse in an accident? A knocked out passenger from the airbag that is unable to move the seat to access the fire extinguisher, or the same fire extinguisher mounted in the trunk?

The picture you posted is fine, but what you are not mentioning is that in order for you to access that spot without tilting the passenger seat forward, the seat needs to be in a position that is more forward than what the driver's side seat is normally at. It is an important disclaimer that needs to be mentioned if you want your product to be successful.

-alex

[TheBracketeer]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Don't be offended by what I am saying... I am pointing out that there is no room behind the front passenger seat, and that a normal adult of my height (5'9") would sit in the passenger seat in such a manner as to make access to anything mounted on the passenger side rear floorpan all but impossible. I really don't think it's that bad for me to question fitment of a safety device as important as you make it out to be.

What is worse in an accident? A knocked out passenger from the airbag that is unable to move the seat to access the fire extinguisher, or the same fire extinguisher mounted in the trunk?

The picture you posted is fine, but what you are not mentioning is that in order for you to access that spot without tilting the passenger seat forward, the seat needs to be in a position that is more forward than what the driver's side seat is normally at. It is an important disclaimer that needs to be mentioned if you want your product to be successful.

-alex

Alex I certainly don't mind constructive criticism ... trust me ... I'm my own hardest critic, however I would like you to actually see one installed and see how easy it is to access first hand, like I have, before making judgement. That's all. Fair?

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by TheBracketeer

Alex I certainly don't mind constructive criticism ... trust me ... I'm my own hardest critic, however I would like you to actually see one installed and see how easy it is to access first hand, like I have, before making judgement. That's all. Fair?

Fair. I put my extinguisher on the passenger side floorpan before and it was impossible to get to with the passenger seat in the same position as the driver's side seat, hence my posts.

I even made it easier to grab by just leaving it on the floor instead of on a bracket, and it took a shorter time to get out of the car and unbolting it instead of reaching over and attempting to grab it.

Again: I am merely pointing out/disputing the fact that installation of this behind the front seats in the FRS/BRZ will require restrictions to front seat usage (if providing a clear path to access the fire extinguisher), or otherwise it will require sliding/tilting forward of the front seat to access it.

-alex

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by TheBracketeer

Sorry ... That's incorrect. An extinguisher in the trunk is a waste of time ... Unless you witness's someone else's car fire and wish to help.

Chances are if you are in an accident, you are rear ended and the trunk is jammed ... Now how to you get it? Or the fire starts in the trunk if you have car audio components back there or the battery, as in the case of my Camaro ... Or perhaps you are stuck in the passenger compartment with the doors jammed shut ... And there is a fire.

Yes , I get your concern re it becoming a projectile, however when the bracket is installed as per the instructions, it is as secure as the seats themselves. I have shown it to professional race car drivers, mechanics and even mechanical engineers, and the first thing they do is grab it and try and move it ... Every single one of them has said something along the lines of "man that thing is solid ... It's not going anywhere".

I'd be more concerned with having a loose iPhone, iPad or laptop bag flying around the car.

Each to their own I guess ... But the pros of having it out way the cons immeasurably in my opinion.

I am also sorry but "grabbing it and trying to move it" is not a replacement for a proper crash test. I know you make and sell them for a living but part of my job is to make sure things are safe and I do not feel that an extinguisher mounted on an untested bracket in the passenger compartment of a car can be deemed safe. I have seen with my own eyes exactly what can happen with materials inside a car during a crash test.
As far as electronics in the trunk sure that may be a very minor consideration and such an unusual circumstance that I would not rate them high on a hazard assessment.
If the trunk is buckled then sure you can't access it but how about a frontal with all the airbags deployed or even better a side impact that wedges it in there (best case scenario since worst means it propels it at the driver). If the car containing the extinguisher is involved in an accident so bad that you can't get it out of the trunk the odds are the driver is in no shape to be using it anyway.
I can not think of one single valid reason why you need to access it from the drivers seat.


Oh and by the way I have carried a 5 pound extinguisher on a normal clamp mount ($4) in my trunk for 30 years now and have never once needed to use it.

[TheBracketeer]

Originally Posted by mav1178

Fair. I put my extinguisher on the passenger side floorpan before and it was impossible to get to with the passenger seat in the same position as the driver's side seat, hence my posts.

I even made it easier to grab by just leaving it on the floor instead of on a bracket, and it took a shorter time to get out of the car and unbolting it instead of reaching over and attempting to grab it.

Again: I am merely pointing out/disputing the fact that installation of this behind the front seats in the FRS/BRZ will require restrictions to front seat usage (if providing a clear path to access the fire extinguisher), or otherwise it will require sliding/tilting forward of the front seat to access it.

-alex

I think it depends on track use or street use. I agree ... track ... front ... street ... more out of the way is better.