Official 2016 Camaro Thread With Updates

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

otherwise it's just a poser Camaro.

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In my books even the 6 is a poser. Same thing applies to Mustangs, Challengers, Chargers, etc. The American manufacturers have always done this. They make a flagship performance car that they sell very few of at a loss and then have the sub versions that they sell by the bucket full at a huge profit.
Not saying that there is anything actually wrong with the subs as cars some are very good but people buy them just to say they have a XXXX.
I read once that there are now about twice as many 69 Chevelle "SSs" on the road then they ever made. Posers sometimes get carried away.

[jawn]

Like the Ecoboost Mustang, the Camaro is still too big of a car for my personal tastes.

[Cmorris8848]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

THis^ This^ and This^

In my books even the 6 is a poser. Same thing applies to Mustangs, Challengers, Chargers, etc. The American manufacturers have always done this. They make a flagship performance car that they sell very few of at a loss and then have the sub versions that they sell by the bucket full at a huge profit.
Not saying that there is anything actually wrong with the subs as cars some are very good but people buy them just to say they have a XXXX.
I read once that there are now about twice as many 69 Chevelle "SSs" on the road then they ever made. Posers sometimes get carried away.

I agree with you and DadHawk on this. I wanted the Challenger, and since they are so heavy, not even the V6 would be powerful enough. I wanted the V8, but it would have been financially unfeasible with the higher price tag and the gas guzzling for my current situation. So I went with the BRZ since it checked almost all my boxes for a car. I still love it and am not regretting the purchase.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Cmorris8848

I agree with you and DadHawk on this. I wanted the Challenger, and since they are so heavy, not even the V6 would be powerful enough. I wanted the V8, but it would have been financially unfeasible with the higher price tag and the gas guzzling for my current situation. So I went with the BRZ since it checked almost all my boxes for a car. I still love it and am not regretting the purchase.

Both the V6 Camaro and Challenger were on my short list when I was shopping. Both came off very quickly after a test drive (for more reasons than just power) since I had exactly the same concerns you did.

[53Driver]

Or it could be that what's important to you (big hp/tq/V-8 engine) is not as important to another person. A lady I work with just picked up one of the new Mustangs. She test drove all 3 versions (Ecoboost, V-6, 5.0) and chose the V-6 because, in her words "the turbo scared me, the V-6 was just right and the V-8 was way too scary". Nothing wrong with that, in fact, it's all the people not buying the V-8 versions that help keep us enthusiasts in our "top end models". Do you think Ford, GM and Dodge would keep making the "top dogs" if everyone else quite buying those "poser Mustangs/Camaros/Challengers"? And if they did, the cost on those V-8s would skyrocket. So next time you see someone driving one of those "posers", stop and shake their hand and thank them for enabling us enthusiasts to be able to pursue and afford our passion.

[Cmorris8848]

Originally Posted by 53Driver

Or it could be that what's important to you (big hp/tq/V-8 engine) is not as important to another person. A lady I work with just picked up one of the new Mustangs. She test drove all 3 versions (Ecoboost, V-6, 5.0) and chose the V-6 because, in her words "the turbo scared me, the V-6 was just right and the V-8 was way too scary". Nothing wrong with that, in fact, it's all the people not buying the V-8 versions that help keep us enthusiasts in our "top end models". Do you think Ford, GM and Dodge would keep making the "top dogs" if everyone else quite buying those "poser Mustangs/Camaros/Challengers"? And if they did, the cost on those V-8s would skyrocket. So next time you see someone driving one of those "posers", stop and shake their hand and thank them for enabling us enthusiasts to be able to pursue and afford our passion.

Which you like what you like, but the Challenger at its highest weight is over 700 lbs heavier than the Mustang at its highest weight. I feel like the V6 Mustang will feel like it has more power than the V6 Challenger due to the weight gap. That's just my two cents to justify the bigger engine for the Challenger. Can't say much about the Mustang or Camaro since I'm not interested in either.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by 53Driver

Or it could be that what's important to you (big hp/tq/V-8 engine) is not as important to another person. ...

Nope, folks should be able to drive what they want. MomHawk has a V6 Mustang convertible. It was a trade-off. We had a set budget, and she could have had either the muscle or the drop-top for the same cost. She chose the drop-top.


I would have chosen the muscle, but it wasn't my car!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by 53Driver

Or it could be that what's important to you (big hp/tq/V-8 engine) is not as important to another person. A lady I work with just picked up one of the new Mustangs. She test drove all 3 versions (Ecoboost, V-6, 5.0) and chose the V-6 because, in her words "the turbo scared me, the V-6 was just right and the V-8 was way too scary". Nothing wrong with that, in fact, it's all the people not buying the V-8 versions that help keep us enthusiasts in our "top end models". Do you think Ford, GM and Dodge would keep making the "top dogs" if everyone else quite buying those "poser Mustangs/Camaros/Challengers"? And if they did, the cost on those V-8s would skyrocket. So next time you see someone driving one of those "posers", stop and shake their hand and thank them for enabling us enthusiasts to be able to pursue and afford our passion.

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Nope, folks should be able to drive what they want. MomHawk has a V6 Mustang convertible. It was a trade-off. We had a set budget, and she could have had either the muscle or the drop-top for the same cost. She chose the drop-top.


I would have chosen the muscle, but it wasn't my car!

Oh I agree completely!
I think what I wrote came off way more harsh and critical than I intended as I did not make it clear I was talking about the poser crowd only.
I was referencing a certain group in my rant and did not intend it to reflect on all the buyers. There are perfectly valid reasons to not want the top line version.

[malave7567]

I'm really thinking hard about the new sixth gen Camaro SS. Next summer, it might happen. I definitely would wait until the kinks in the new model were worked out though, and buy a '17 instead of a '16.

On the topic of the 2.0 Turbo, I do like that Chevy has it as the base model engine. I feel the Turbo 4 -> V6 -> V8 price progression feels more natural than Ford's Ecoboost price model. Plus, GM has made some awesome 2.0 Turbo's in the past (Sky Redline/Solstice twins)

[Sideways&Smiling]

If Ford or Chevy made a new small coupe sports car from the ground up they could make something really special. I wish they would. They seem to be doing pretty well lately when it comes to engines.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

I'm going to own a proper Camaro, which means V8 with max torque, otherwise it's just a poser Camaro.

But what if max torque comes from the 4-banger?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=125

5.0L GT claiming ~430 ft-lbs at the crank...

Edit: Whoops, that's GT350 torque out of the 5.2L, the standard GT is rated for 400 ft-lbs at the crank.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

If Ford or Chevy made a new small coupe sports car from the ground up they could make something really special. I wish they would. They seem to be doing pretty well lately when it comes to engines.

So true, if they came out with a little RWD coupe weighing in under 3,000 lbs with decent off the shelf suspension it would destroy anything under $50k, and if it's one of these turbo fours that seem to take an ungodly amount of boost it might be the best car under $100k period.

The next 2JZ?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

But what if max torque comes from the 4-banger?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...&postcount=125

5.0L GT claiming ~430 ft-lbs at the crank...

Edit: Whoops, that's GT350 torque out of the 5.2L, the standard GT is rated for 400 ft-lbs at the crank.

I was going off the Camaro specs only, but sure if you can get the same performance out of the 4, its all good. I'm guessing it will be a while that will be in the line up though. if you can get it out of the 4, you can do the same changes to the 8 and boost it further. Oh and it has to be from the factory, with a warranty...

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

If Ford or Chevy made a new small coupe sports car from the ground up they could make something really special. I wish they would. They seem to be doing pretty well lately when it comes to engines.

Let's not leave Chrysler out of this mix either though. With the Fiat tech and resources available to them they could do some wonderful things if they wanted too.