My first unplanned donut!

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Zhangy

yeah the old RWD with 0-60 in maybe 10 seconds

Right. Because there were no fast cars before your birth in 1997.

[SisterBlue22]

My second car ever was a 1987 Nissan 200SX SE V6 hatchback, with a stick. I bought it used in 1989, which was the summer between high school and college, and it's the car I learned to drive a stick in. It was RWD, first time with that, too.

I went to college in Rochester, NY, and that first winter was amusing. I was 18. Wide-ish tires, RWD, and ice everywhere. I was coming toward a stoplight one night, and the road was a broad curve, and downhill. I downshifted as I approached the light, touched the brakes, hit a patch of black ice, and the rear end immediately started to come around. I was taught to drive by a truck driver, so all I could think was "downshift, don't brake too hard, and steer into it". I ended up doing a beautiful 360 any ballerina would have been proud of, straight through the red light, and continued on my way. Lucky there were no other cars coming, but all in all it was a pretty fun experience once I realized I had lived through it!

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by SisterBlue22

I went to college in Rochester, NY

Nothing beats that Western NY ice. I grew up on rt 104 in between Niagara Falls and Rochester. My best friend had a 76 Nova. Uggh, talk about toboggans.

[radroach]

Had some big time oversteer the other day.

I had only gotten like 3 hours of sleep and woke up that morning at 5am and drank a whole bunch of coffee. I didn't feel all that tired in my head, but my body was fatigued and I had trouble managing my throttle and clutch application smoothly. Was driving with all nannies on.

I missed a turn at one point and decided to pull in a side street and double back, but used too much throttle in 1st, shifted to 2nd, and the back end starts coming around. Well at that point it was pretty much up to the 7 Samurai of Subaru to keep me from crashing, the back end just came around perfectly and landed me in the lane I was supposed to be in! People across the street were looking so I gave the thumbs up like I meant to do that, and drove home, and slept 12 hours. TLDR: don't drive this car while tired.

[Zhangy]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Right. Because there were no fast cars before your birth in 1997.

Whats the average 0-60 of a RWD car in your grandma's generation? exactly u stfu

[Zhangy]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

You have no fucking clue.

Mr. Car Historian LMAO

Chart showing the average decrease in the time it takes for a vehicle to go from 0 miles per hour to 60 miles per hour, from model years 1975 to 2013.

Once again, my point: traction control is good on modern cars. Now fk off

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by Zhangy

Once again, my point: traction control is good on modern cars. Now fk off

Then you've changed your tune from lecturing us lesser drivers with

dont drive with traction all off on street plz

That's some pansy-assed bullshit.

Now, let's address your graph. What in the hell does straight-line acceleration have to do with the overall handling of a vehicle? If vehicle stability systems were necessary they would be on every single pickup truck on the road.

You are way out of your element. Now sit the fuck down.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Zhangy

Whats the average 0-60 of a RWD car in your grandma's generation?

LOL. Zhangy doesn't understand what an average is.

There were still fast cars before 1997. Late 60s Corvettes were in the 6 to 7 second range. By 1971 the top level Mustang was under 6 seconds. None of the old muscle or sports cars had traction control. People just learned how to drive.

Tell you what: Why don't you keep your nannies on and mind your own business.

[D88]

Originally Posted by Zhangy

Whats the average 0-60 of a RWD car in your grandma's generation? exactly u stfu

I like how you've chosen a graph that conveniently starts just after the early 1970s oil crisis heralding the demise of the muscle car era. Also is that an average of all car models? There were some seriously slow cars in the 70s and 80s that would skew those numbers.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Zhangy

exactly u stfu

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

That's some pansy-assed bullshit.
You are way out of your element. Now sit the f**k down.

I am excited that my 2016 will have the nannies abilities to be turned off. I'm skeptical that the ABS will turn off also. Harder to powerbrake with ABS. If not i'm buying the 86Nanny which turns ALL the nannies off. I just don't like a computer telling me what I can and cannot do. I had a 79 Camaro near 350hp daily driver and positraction. I got thru snow, ice, and rain without modern nannies. It's a different generation where these nannies are mandatory. All I had was a seat belt.

Also this car in the right hands with all nannies off the 0-60 time would be quicker IMHO.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

All I had was a seat belt.

When I was 16, my dad bought a 1959 Chevy Apache pickup truck. It didn't have seat belts. It predated them, and retrofits were not required. Not only that, but the driver's side door latch didn't work right, so occasionally when you made a right turn, the driver's side door would fly open.

Zhangy would shit himself and cry like a little girl.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by stevesnj

I am excited that my 2016 will have the nannies abilities to be turned off. I'm skeptical that the ABS will turn off also. Harder to powerbrake with ABS. If not i'm buying the 86Nanny which turns ALL the nannies off. I just don't like a computer telling me what I can and cannot do. I had a 79 Camaro near 350hp daily driver and positraction. I got thru snow, ice, and rain without modern nannies. It's a different generation where these nannies are mandatory. All I had was a seat belt.

Also this car in the right hands with all nannies off the 0-60 time would be quicker IMHO.

I'm excited about hacking mine out. I've been really trying hard to pay attention to the differences between pedal-dance and the long button-push.

It feels like even with the button push, all the inputs are still being processed, then maybe just ignored. I feel that latency or at least I have a strong suspicion. Been thinking about what to log to see the differences in throttle response when doing various mundane things like accelerating out of turns at normal rates.

With all the stab enabled, it argues with me in stop & go traffic. It feels like the system is trying to correct for something that interferes with my own corrections. Maybe that's why this car rubber-bands so much in first. That all goes away as soon as I pedal dance.

[stevesnj]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

I'm excited about hacking mine out. I've been really trying hard to pay attention to the differences between pedal-dance and the long button-push.

It feels like even with the button push, all the inputs are still being processed, then maybe just ignored. I feel that latency or at least I have a strong suspicion. Been thinking about what to log to see the differences in throttle response when doing various mundane things like accelerating out of turns at normal rates.

With all the stab enabled, it argues with me in stop & go traffic. It feels like the system is trying to correct for something that interferes with my own corrections. Maybe that's why this car rubber-bands so much in first. That all goes away as soon as I pedal dance.

Good points... the PD does keep the ABS active. I dunno why but it's an "inspection mode" and the proper way to Dyno this car per Mr. T. Get an 86 Nanny. I like analog driving in a digital world.