Staggered set up at the track - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

JS + BRZ · 06-05-2015, 12:46 PM

What would happen if we have a staggered wheel set up at the track? Just curious, that's all.

tahdizzle · 06-05-2015, 12:48 PM

I am not an expert, but wouldn't a staggered set up induce understeer?

DarkSunrise · 06-05-2015, 12:55 PM

You won't be able to rotate your tires, that's what will happen :P

And more understeer.

JS + BRZ · 06-05-2015, 01:02 PM

Interesting.. Why do cars like S2K come as a staggered set up from the factory?

86_Insider · 06-05-2015, 01:05 PM

Every car is designed differently and if you have ever driven an s2k you would instantly know why they do. Even with the staggered setup they are very tail happy. I wouldn't suggest a staggered setup on a car that doesn't come that way from the factory unless some serious modification and power upgrades have been done. Even then it would just come down to testing

JS + BRZ · 06-05-2015, 01:07 PM

Which is more tail happy, staggered or squared?

All the s2k guys I've seen at the track are running squared set up. That's why I was curious about this. haha

gramicci101 · 06-05-2015, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

Which is more tail happy, staggered or squared?

All the s2k guys I've seen at the track are running squared set up. That's why I was curious about this. haha

For us, a square setup will be more tail happy, because there's less traction in the back vs. a staggered setup. Having the right springs on it will make it even more tail happy though.

OkieSnuffBox · 06-05-2015, 01:15 PM

Factories build in understeer to protect the unwashed masses.

For example, in 1995 the M3 came with a square setup, then in 96 switched it to staggered to make the car less tail happy.

King Tut · 06-05-2015, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

All the s2k guys I've seen at the track are running squared set up. That's why I was curious about this. haha

They also either run a rear wing or a big ass front sway bar to keep the oversteer in check.

CSG Mike · 06-05-2015, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

Which is more tail happy, staggered or squared?

All the s2k guys I've seen at the track are running squared set up. That's why I was curious about this. haha

Correlation =/= causation.

Have you ever asked *why* they run square?

JS + BRZ · 06-05-2015, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by King Tut

They also either run a rear wing or a big ass front sway bar to keep the oversteer in check.

You are right.

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Correlation =/= causation.

Have you ever asked *why* they run square?

Everyone just said it's for more balanced handling. But it just popped up in my head this morning and wanted to ask. haha

CSG Mike · 06-07-2015, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

Everyone just said it's for more balanced handling. But it just popped up in my head this morning and wanted to ask. haha

Wut?

It's not for more balanced handing... adding front tire to a rear happy car?

JS + BRZ · 06-07-2015, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Wut?

It's not for more balanced handing... adding front tire to a rear happy car?

Can you enlighten us why they are doing it? Thanks.

FRSfan111 · 06-07-2015, 02:52 AM

CSG talk about s2ks? Pft mikes never even been in one...
Lol

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86_Insider Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: 2013 FR-S Location: Las Vegas Posts: 234 Thanks: 327 Thanked 83 Times in 54 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Every car is designed differently and if you have ever driven an s2k you would instantly know why they do. Even with the staggered setup they are very tail happy. I wouldn't suggest a staggered setup on a car that doesn't come that way from the factory unless some serious modification and power upgrades have been done. Even then it would just come down to testing

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