My 200WHP 15 Auto FRS Build

[evomike]

Originally Posted by Cal3000

It depends on what your definition of automatic is.
If it runs with a Programmed Logic Controller, it is an automatic.
DCT is automatic.

automatics have torque converters the dct is a manual gearbox

[Atropine]

Originally Posted by ItzYaBoyBugZ

I've had over 45 cars, majority of them manual, my car I traded in for this manual.Do I miss it yes, Do I love manual yes, Is it more fun yes... now here are some pro's of having an auto... I have poor credit and my family wouldn't co sign other wise... GOT EXTREMELY LUCKY!! wasn't going to turn down new car over tranny so here I am in a auto, however 75 percent of time i'm using tiptronic , which is like manual etc
I know I need to GO TO WORK, BUILD CREDIT and RIP OFF MY NEON LIGHTS and strangle myself with them for buying an auto, but after done that, I'm going to enjoy my car

So you have owned 45 cars...and still need a co-signer and need to build your credit?

You are a liar about one of these things...or you are just a royal fuck up.

Which is it?

[fika84]

Originally Posted by Atropine

So you have owned 45 cars...and still need a co-signer and need to build your credit?

You are a liar about one of these things...or you are just a royal fuck up.

Which is it?

[fika84]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The only real advantage the manual have over the auto performance wise is launching. I personally feel if the auto had a launching program it would be a 0-60 in 6.3 second car. The 5-60 time between a manual and auto is 7.8-7.9 seconds with no launching involved. In other words fellas our cars are just slow(still fun as hell though) no matter the tranny. DCT's usually have a launching capability which helps make its acceleration look remarkable. Also Auto's and DCT's respond well to torquey engines too.

AND completely different gear ratios.

Originally Posted by SpeedR

FR-S Gear Ratio Comparison
____MT ___AT __# differenc _% difference
1 _3.626 __3.538 __0.088 ____2%
2 _2.188 __2.06 ___0.128 ____6%
3 _1.541 __1.404 __0.137 ____10%
4 _1.213 __1 ______0.213 ____21%
5 _1 ______0.713 __0.287 ____40%
6 _0.767 __0.582 __0.185 ____32%
R _3.437 __3.168 __0.269 ____8%

^^ Has been corrected for AT/MT. In his original post he had them backwards as can be read in the original thread - http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...448#post192448

[drewbot]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

The only real advantage the manual have over the auto performance wise is launching. I personally feel if the auto had a launching program it would be a 0-60 in 6.3 second car. The 5-60 time between a manual and auto is 7.8-7.9 seconds with no launching involved. In other words fellas our cars are just slow(still fun as hell though) no matter the tranny. DCT's usually have a launching capability which helps make its acceleration look remarkable. Also Auto's and DCT's respond well to torquey engines too.

As far as either car is concerned, neither car is your 0-60 queen.....

[Bergen23]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And Evos are overpriced, overhyped, spec sheet queens whose glory days ended about 15 years ago.
Dude, just give it up, we know you can't drive and need a gas pedal to mash.

Was going to go in on him for that post. But I won't bother since you said it far more eloquently than I could have.

Both trannys are a good choice. Having driven both, the only thing I wish I could do with my auto is kick the back end out a bit easier, but that doesn't make a lick of a difference for 99% of the driving I do. Sometimes I wish I had a third pedal, but at the end of the day, I'm content with my flappy paddled slush box and ain't shook about what random people online say about it.

[Bergen23]

Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

But that's your opinion. I can understand if 200 hp made the car feel like a total bore to drive but every single critic who came across this car loves it even though some admit it's a little underpowered in a competitive sense. I would rather add power to a well designed lightweight chassis than to take away weight from a 3600LB behemoth that still has a higher CoG and massive size to begin with.

This car isn't about numbers anyways. The feeling I get when I enter a turn at 60 and exit it around 95 or 100 is way better than mashing a gas pedal to get from 0-100 in 1.69 seconds anyways.

[Cal3000]

Originally Posted by evomike

automatics have torque converters the dct is a manual gearbox

How does a dct shift?
Hydroclics, Solenoids, Plc inputs. You are not involved.
It's an automatic transmission.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Bergen23

Was going to go in on him for that post. But I won't bother since you said it far more eloquently than I could have.

Both trannys are a good choice. Having driven both, the only thing I wish I could do with my auto is kick the back end out a bit easier, but that doesn't make a lick of a difference for 99% of the driving I do. Sometimes I wish I had a third pedal, but at the end of the day, I'm content with my flappy paddled slush box and ain't shook about what random people online say about it.

I respect anybody's opinion and get that some want more power for whatever reason suits them but the dude is a broken record and I for one am sick of seeing it.
Anybody that doesn't like the power has the option of increasing it or bailing out and getting something different.
Guess the guy's user name alone meant he was doomed to not like the car right from the start.

[Bergen23]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I respect anybody's opinion and get that some want more power for whatever reason suits them but the dude is a broken record and I for one am sick of seeing it.
Anybody that doesn't like the power has the option of increasing it or bailing out and getting something different.
Guess the guy's user name alone meant he was doomed to not like the car right from the start.

I used to work with a guy who had an Evo 10. He liked my car for what is was, but did comment that it lacked power but everything else about it was sweet. Nothing a turbo can't fix, and that would still be cheaper and probably a better driving option than an Evo (plus way lower insurance too, if that matters to you as well)

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And Evos are overpriced, overhyped, spec sheet queens whose glory days ended about 15 years ago.
Dude, just give it up, we know you can't drive and need a gas pedal to mash.

Not at all true. Evos are great cars and some of the all-out fastest modified, once-production cars in the world right now. (and I don't mean fastest in a straight line)

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Not at all true. Evos are great cars and some of the all-out fastest modified, once-production cars in the world right now. (and I don't mean fastest in a straight line)

Shhhhhhh, I know (I have had 7 Mitsus over the years, am actually a fanboi and the forum I used to hang out on is now a deserted wasteland).


I was simply trying to make the point that you can write any opinion you want but it doesn't make it true or applicable to everybody.


I knew somebody would dispute it and give me my opening for this follow up.

[tennisfreak]

Holy shit OP I hope you have the money to buy out your lease and the terms on it are not a total F U when it comes to the residual value.

With all those mods your gonna be screwed come end of lease if you dont buy it out.

[evomike]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

And Evos are overpriced, overhyped, spec sheet queens whose glory days ended about 15 years ago.
Dude, just give it up, we know you can't drive and need a gas pedal to mash.

this is not true at all about the evos, and I am by no means a pedal masher my skill level is just beyond 200 hp but I don't intend to track this car. honestly 200 hp isn't enough for everyday driving with this car especially when you get rid of the prius tires that make it feel crazy fast.