FR-S vs 228i vs Mustang June R/T - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Cope52 · 05-10-2015, 04:20 PM

Re-shot the pics for easy reading. Damn scanner is broken.

I think it's time for a road trip!

fitcious · 05-10-2015, 04:24 PM

great read. thanks for posting. interesting to see how little difference the power to weight ratio between the FRS and the BMW is 13.8 and 13.6, respectively. but i guess when talking about torque, the differences are bigger..

Tromatic · 05-10-2015, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaoskaze

If only Yamaha was more involved in development of FA20 I would be so happy with the car.

Heh. I've said before the engine in the "refresh" will say Yamaha on it.

jflogerzi · 05-10-2015, 09:42 PM

Thanks for Sharing. Great read!

Quentin · 05-10-2015, 11:52 PM

Great read. They get it.

cycleboy · 05-11-2015, 01:03 AM

907 lb lighter FTW!

tennisfreak · 05-11-2015, 03:05 PM

Another article talking about how much fun the FR-S is and track times mean nothing.

Yeah its fun but even with a similar power/weight ratio to the BMW the FR-S still gets its ass royally handed to it in all speed/track measurements.

So that BMW feels like sh!t but does this well on a track? Something is not adding up.

BMW: 13.6lbs per HP
Mustang: 11.8lbs per HP
FRS: 13.8lbs per HP

0-60
BMW: 5.2
Mustang: 5.6
FR-S: 6.5

1/4
BMW: 13.9
Mustang: 14.3
FR-S: 15.0

Thunderhill laptime:
BMW: 2:12.5
Mustang: 2:12.6
FR-S: 2:20.3

I know everyone is going to spout tires but I seriously doubt tires will take 8 seconds off the FR-S lap time.

Clipdat · 05-11-2015, 03:11 PM

Cool pic, looks like Pinehurst Rd.

EAGLE5 · 05-11-2015, 03:40 PM

Tires make a big difference, both in compound and width. I expect the BMW is underrated on power. They usually are. Torque makes a massive difference. BMW suspension is more sophisticated. It's a faster vehicle, clearly. It's just not as fun. This is sad when considering how much fun the previous BMW generation was.

In the end, stock, the FR-S has low limits. So what else is new? It was designed to have low limits.

cycleboy · 05-11-2015, 03:41 PM

Another aspect is the other 2 cars as tested were $9-11K more expensive.

What would an 86 be like if you sunk $9K into it?

tahdizzle · 05-11-2015, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

Another article talking about how much fun the FR-S is and track times mean nothing.

Yeah its fun but even with a similar power/weight ratio to the BMW the FR-S still gets its ass royally handed to it in all speed/track measurements.

So that BMW feels like sh!t but does this well on a track? Something is not adding up.

BMW: 13.6lbs per HP
Mustang: 11.8lbs per HP
FRS: 13.8lbs per HP

0-60
BMW: 5.2
Mustang: 5.6
FR-S: 6.5

1/4
BMW: 13.9
Mustang: 14.3
FR-S: 15.0

Thunderhill laptime:
BMW: 2:12.5
Mustang: 2:12.6
FR-S: 2:20.3

I know everyone is going to spout tires but I seriously doubt tires will take 8 seconds off the FR-S lap time.

Torque

EAGLE5 · 05-11-2015, 06:08 PM

Tahdizzle, you're such a ****wad. LOL.

Quentin · 05-11-2015, 06:28 PM

The BMW is underrated. That is all there is to it. Redo the calculation with the 270hp it really has and everything becomes clear.

Sent from Tandy 400

Sideways&Smiling · 05-11-2015, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tromatic

Heh. I've said before the engine in the "refresh" will say Yamaha on it.

I hope so. All of the best Toyota engines had Yamaha involved.

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fitcious Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Drives: 2013 FR-S Location: USA Posts: 922 Thanks: 283 Thanked 393 Times in 205 Posts Mentioned: 13 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	great read. thanks for posting. interesting to see how little difference the power to weight ratio between the FRS and the BMW is 13.8 and 13.6, respectively. but i guess when talking about torque, the differences are bigger..

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Quentin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: ‘16 4Runner, ‘19 Corolla HB Location: Hurricane, WV Posts: 1,233 Thanks: 685 Thanked 813 Times in 435 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Great read. They get it.

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cycleboy Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S - Argento Location: 805 Posts: 503 Thanks: 8 Thanked 215 Times in 142 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Another aspect is the other 2 cars as tested were $9-11K more expensive. What would an 86 be like if you sunk $9K into it?

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Quentin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: ‘16 4Runner, ‘19 Corolla HB Location: Hurricane, WV Posts: 1,233 Thanks: 685 Thanked 813 Times in 435 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The BMW is underrated. That is all there is to it. Redo the calculation with the 270hp it really has and everything becomes clear. Sent from Tandy 400

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