S2000 vs 86 - 3 Years Development Later

[53Driver]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

With the rate of all the members dumping their twins for s2000's we may as well put a sticky on the first page of the forum telling everyone to just go buy an s2000 instead....

I'd hazard a guess that a lot of people who shopped the Twins for a small, lightweight, RWD sporty car that wasn't crazy expensive were people who have previously owned S2000s. Of those, quite a few have found out that they prefer the S2000 over the Twins and thus have decided to go back to that platform. There's nothing wrong with the Twins, they're good cars and you can have one new with a warranty. With that being said, I'm a former S2000 owner and after owning my FR-S for over a year now, I prefer the S2000 and have decided to go back to one. The hard part is finding one that isn't beat up and isn't over 20K. If money was unlimited, I'd probably keep the FR-S too.

[kvnchu]

Ended up getting a hand-me-down dd from the family and a cousin offered to let me take one of his track cars out when I'm in Taiwan. Thanks for all the input though.

Hope to see you all out at track soon!

[kvnchu]

Originally Posted by zzang

Hey! I bought the perrin cat back from you back in 2013? which is actually up FS now... because I actually just got myself an ap1. Going to keep my brz for a couple more months to put it to track duty a couple times before I let it go, but during the past month I've had the ap1 now, I must say that the car is much more engaging and fun. By all means, I'm no expert, but the brz just feels a little numb, at least straight out of the box. I know a few tweaks could make the difference, but stock for stock, the s2000 just feels much more fun. I'm sure you can attest to this given you've had both platforms as well.

Daily driveability, the only thing I miss is the foldable rear seats, but the depth of the trunk in the s2k makes up for that!

Another 86 bites the dust..

[Superstar]

The only thing I miss about my AP1 was the power... and that power was my primary complaint when I owned the car.

[Deep Six]

I may have an opportunity to purchase a 2004 Rio Yellow with 6,000 miles. The owner is a work associate who is the original owner. She isn't really what you would call an enthusiast and the car is completely stock. Thoughts on a fair price?

[EAGLE5]

That's some crazy low miles. $20-25k. Does it need work? Was it well maintained? 10 years with no maintenance is worse for a car than 100k miles and good maintenance.

[JS + BRZ]

Originally Posted by Deep Six

I may have an opportunity to purchase a 2004 Rio Yellow with 6,000 miles. The owner is a work associate who is the original owner. She isn't really what you would call an enthusiast and the car is completely stock. Thoughts on a fair price?

Lowball her at $15K. Say that men usually don't drive yellow cars but you like hers.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Deep Six

I may have an opportunity to purchase a 2004 Rio Yellow with 6,000 miles. The owner is a work associate who is the original owner. She isn't really what you would call an enthusiast and the car is completely stock. Thoughts on a fair price?

That's easily a $22k+ car. Put up some feelers for her on various forums/sales pages, and you'll get a better idea.

[EAGLE5]

All the comments after mine sound inappropriate. Just sayin'.

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Put up some feelers for her...

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

Lowball her ... Say that ... you like hers.

[burdickjp]

Originally Posted by jsimon7777

All the comments after mine sound inappropriate. Just sayin'.

That is because they are.

Let's look to a neutral source for some input. Anyone want to compare the regular car reviews of the twins versus the s2000. I think there are several videos.

[AceHeader-MT]

Been reading this thread for a while now and been waiting even longer to be able to hype the 86 over an S2000.

This was last month but check out 24min-34min mark. Last years champ in his CR...sure, he missed a shift, but he stayed behind us the rest of the way

Finally!

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[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by AceHeader-MT

Been reading this thread for a while now and been waiting even longer to be able to hype the 86 over an S2000.

This was last month but check out 24min-34min mark. Last years champ in his CR...sure, he missed a shift, but he stayed behind us the rest of the way

Finally!

Nice catch at 30:07!

[Fender0122]

I've been having this internal debate in my head since last year whether the 86 could ever live up to the craziness of the s2000 and here is the one thing I realized: the s2000 is Honda's flagship sports car, while the 86 is an entry level sports car that Toyota/Subaru don't actually want to make any faster or else it threatens higher up models (mainly the WRX/STi).

It all started when there was a conversation (more or less a joke, I think) going around on my facebook about the 86 being moved from STX to STR, which would basically put me in with a whole bunch of s2000's. I looked at the times of my local scca chapter and the STR s2000's were doing about what the STX crowd was doing so I wasn't too worried. but then I looked at the ProSolo cars and the s2000's were easily 2 seconds faster than the fastest 86.

So it's led me to wonder basically what most of people have stated on here: how would the 86 fair if it was at the same point in development, and also 240hp like the s2000. Whereas the s2000 is more adjustable and raceable out of the box, I truly believe if they were prepared equally that the 86 would be superior due to 1) lower center of gravity because boxer, and 2) it's not a convertible (ie. structurally better).

After watching a NASA race at mid ohio last weekend, however, there's definitely a lot more hondas racing than 86's, so you're definitely going to have more competition, therefore a lot more fun. On the contrary, as far as autocross goes, every single STR car was an s2000, whereas STX was filled with old bmws, hondas, 86's, etc so it was more diverse crowd and fun to watch a 20 year old bmw beat your brand new $30k BRZ haha. My local STX class is filling up with more 86's which will be more fun to compete with. It was a nail biter the last event!

TL;DR I'd get the s2000 right now if you're planning on using it primarily to race, but beware because as the 86 develops it will be nipping at the s2000's heels and soon you'll want back into an 86.

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by AceHeader-MT

Been reading this thread for a while now and been waiting even longer to be able to hype the 86 over an S2000.

This was last month but check out 24min-34min mark. Last years champ in his CR...sure, he missed a shift, but he stayed behind us the rest of the way

Finally!

Curious, what sort of mods were done to this car?

...did the first driver go blank smashing into the pit wall? I found that weird.