Twins vs S15 Spec R

[chaoskaze]

^you shouldn't be surprised, this is not an asian/aussy forum in first place.

+ most ppl brought this car for looks.

[industrial]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

And New Zealand and Australia.

And clearly you aren't familiar with Under Suzuki's Scorch Racing S15, currently one of the all-out fastest production-based cars in the world... and it's not the only s-chassis out there at the top of the pack.

Power-to-weight potential, rear wheel drive, and very good handling when upgraded with quality suspension parts. It's that simple, buddy. That's why the s-chassis cars are so popular.

It really amazes me how many FR-S/BRZ owners there are out there who don't know much about the s-chassis, how good it can really be, and where the inspiration for their own cars actually comes from.

It was grey market to Nz and aus. A handful of cars being sold there does not make it easier to maintain a car in North America. I only lived in Japan from 97-01 and drove plenty of Silvia's including various s15s. Please tell me more jackass. I know all about Under Suzuki. Good stuff but one insane car and driver does not make a car model a legend. His s15 isn't anywhere this side of $200,000 close to stock...

[Bergen23]

Being that I've been into JDM cars for a while now, I do admit I've tossed the idea of an S15 back and forth, but for the money spent, as @industrial said, there's far better options. Only a true enthusiast could appreciate a car like the S15, unless of course you're going all out on the build, but for me, I prefer the OEM+ look. No one would give a shit about an S15 with a drop, wheels and mild engine work. Everyone who has seen any FAst and Furious movie would go buck wild over a Skyline, and the resale on unmolested ones in good shape is astronomical.

[hmong337]

Rhd? Have fun with insurance and the amount of Vaseline they'll be using on you- that's if you can even find insurance. Was close to buying a rhd 93 Supra TT 6mt until the news of everybody dropping rhd insurance here in Ontario. Your only option is to go to high risk facility coverage = rape. Got the FRS instead!

[Bergen23]

Originally Posted by hmong337

Rhd? Have fun with insurance and the amount of Vaseline they'll be using on you- that's if you can even find insurance. Was close to buying a rhd 93 Supra TT 6mt until the news of everybody dropping rhd insurance here in Ontario. You're only option is to go to high risk facility coverage = rape. Got the FRS instead!

Speaking of high risk insurance, my friend was quoted 28k per year on a Chevy Impala because of all his tickets. Fuck that shit.

[hmong337]

Originally Posted by Bergen23

Speaking of high risk insurance, my friend was quoted 28k per year on a Chevy Impala because of all his tickets. Fuck that shit.

With my spotless driving record and 25+ age and married, facility was still $320 a month on the rhd Supra alone!!! That's more than insuring my sw20, FRS, and my wife's Lexus HS combined. It would be a much smarter idea finding something with a proper VIN and paying the extra cash for something legit and LHD rather than putting my monies into some clapped out rhd sportcar with dead end resources. It would cost a lot more in the end owning something rhd than LHD. Especially Skylines or anything exclusively rhd like the s15 Silvia turbo with extremely limited resources to maintain and insure it.

It'd have to be a show only or a track and trailer type car. Plus rhd in our LHD country is just disastrous.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by industrial

It was grey market to Nz and aus. A handful of cars being sold there does not make it easier to maintain a car in North America. I only lived in Japan from 97-01 and drove plenty of Silvia's including various s15s. Please tell me more jackass. I know all about Under Suzuki. Good stuff but one insane car and driver does not make a car model a legend. His s15 isn't anywhere this side of $200,000 close to stock...

You clearly don't know as much about them as you are claiming. S15s were grey market throughout Europe, but they were NOT grey market in NZ or AUS. The car was produced for Japan, New Zealand, and Australia, all of which are right-hand drive countries, and it is extremely popular in ALL of these countries.

And of course Under Suzuki's car is HIGHLY modified with a boatload of money dumped into it, but it's still an S15. It's the same platform competing with ANY/ALL other platforms, all of which are also highly modified and have boatloads of money dumped into them. It shows the potential of what the platform can actually do and how it compares to other platforms... and it's not just S15s. Look at MCA Suspension's Hammerhead S13. That's an OLD ass S13 coupe with much less money dumped into it than a LOT of the cars it's up against. Frankly, it's utter bullshit to shrug off Silvias as being hugely inferior to the FR-S/BRZ/GT86, as they really aren't. The chassis isn't as rigid and the steering not as fast or good feeling, but that's mostly just due to the cars being produced in 2 different eras, and those issues aren't things that can't be fixed... and it's pretty debatable whether or not the FA20 is actually all that much better of an engine, to be honest.

[industrial]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

You clearly don't know as much about them as you are claiming. S15s were grey market throughout Europe, but they were NOT grey market in NZ or AUS. The car was produced for Japan, New Zealand, and Australia, all of which are right-hand drive countries, and it is extremely popular in ALL of these countries.

And of course Under Suzuki's car is HIGHLY modified with a boatload of money dumped into it, but it's still an S15. It's the same platform competing with ANY/ALL other platforms, all of which are also highly modified and have boatloads of money dumped into them. It shows the potential of what the platform can actually do and how it compares to other platforms... and it's not just S15s. Look at MCA Suspension's Hammerhead S13. That's an OLD ass S13 coupe with much less money dumped into it than a LOT of the cars it's up against. Frankly, it's utter bullshit to shrug off Silvias as being hugely inferior to the FR-S/BRZ/GT86, as they really aren't. The chassis isn't as rigid and the steering not as fast or good feeling, but that's mostly just due to the cars being produced in 2 different eras, and those issues aren't things that can't be fixed... and it's pretty debatable whether or not the FA20 is actually all that much better of an engine, to be honest.

Definately didn't say all youre trying to imply I said. I'm saying that given the time, money and effort required to get a s15 into North America and actually drive it, you would be MUCH better off with a r32-34 GTR if you want that JDM exclusivity. Otherwise, there are much better options here such as the twins, or rx7s, supras, corvettes, Mustangs just to name a few. It's kind of funny how some enthusiasts in NA flip out over something as bleh as a s15. Silvias are like a japanese mustang. They were everywhere(mostly s13s and 14s) when I was there. You could go off base and buy a turbo s13 for $3000. Most locals didn't even deem them worthy to pay for the jci. I mean, they are cool cars but I just don't see the big deal.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by industrial

Definately didn't say all youre trying to imply I said. I'm saying that given the time, money and effort required to get a s15 into North America and actually drive it, you would be MUCH better off with a r32-34 GTR if you want that JDM exclusivity. Otherwise, there are much better options here such as the twins, or rx7s, supras, corvettes, Mustangs just to name a few. It's kind of funny how some enthusiasts in NA flip out over something as bleh as a s15. Silvias are like a japanese mustang. They were everywhere(mostly s13s and 14s) when I was there. You could go off base and buy a turbo s13 for $3000. Most locals didn't even deem them worthy to pay for the jci. I mean, they are cool cars but I just don't see the big deal.

Oh, I totally agree that it's not worth it to import an S15 and pay all that it would cost to do so, but I don't agree with some of the people here who disregard the S13/S14/S15 as junk in general. They are great cars, and the FRS is a direct descendant of them (in spirit). This is why I asked why not just build an S13 or S14 instead? THAT idea is very much worth it if you are going to highly modify them anyway, because you can get them CHEAP and they really aren't that far behind the S15 in terms of potential.

[P86RAVES]

Originally Posted by industrial

The amount of time produced shows it wasn't around long. The s15 never left the jdm in any form. Your s13 was imported here. That's truely apples and oranges. What happens when some random bits break? You can't roll over to nissan/autozone/junk yards and grab a replacement. You have to special order everything or start fabbing/tinkering. Sounds like a pain to me unless you are a professional auto mechanic.

People will pay what they will pay, that's true. Is the s15 a classic? I highly doubt it. I don't really know. If I'm paying for some imported pain in the ass nissan, it better say GT-R or I'm going to pass. Importing a s15 seems like importing a gts-t skyline to me...why bother?

Something random like what? The wiring harness? You might be in a bit of a bind there, but for everything else there is aftermarket. The S15 also shares a lot of its mechanical bits with other Nissan cars, including the other S-chassis which is why I mentioned the S13.

I'd rather a GT-R over an S15, but if the S15 can be had cheaper and the OP can afford it, I'd definitely go with the S15 over a twin.

In 5 years or so most people will look at the twins like the do the 350Z, but an S15 will still get as much respect then as it does today.

Originally Posted by hmong337

With my spotless driving record and 25+ age and married, facility was still $320 a month on the rhd Supra alone!!! That's more than insuring my sw20, FRS, and my wife's Lexus HS combined. It would be a much smarter idea finding something with a proper VIN and paying the extra cash for something legit and LHD rather than putting my monies into some clapped out rhd sportcar with dead end resources. It would cost a lot more in the end owning something rhd than LHD. Especially Skylines or anything exclusively rhd like the s15 Silvia turbo with extremely limited resources to maintain and insure it.

It'd have to be a show only or a track and trailer type car. Plus rhd in our LHD country is just disastrous.

That is crazy cost prohibitive. Unless you're rolling in the deep I wouldn't even consider anything RHD.

[nzer]

Here's my one I sold to buy my 86.



Completely unmodified and owned it from new with 230,000km on the clock when I sold it.

15 year old technology now compared with new technology. I wouldn't go back.

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by nzer

Here's my one I sold to buy my 86.



Completely unmodified and owned it from new with 230,000km on the clock when I sold it.

15 year old technology now compared with new technology. I wouldn't go back.

Owned an S15 for 230,000km and never at least upgraded the (admittedly poor) stock suspension yet bought every single TRD (overpriced and inferior to many things available in the aftermarket) thing available for the 86?! You are a strange one, sir. :P

[nzer]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Owned an S15 for 230,000km and never at least upgraded the (admittedly poor) stock suspension yet bought every single TRD (overpriced and inferior to many things available in the aftermarket) thing available for the 86?! You are a strange one, sir. :P

Yep!

[dartheo]

I used to own a RHD 93' RX7 (FD). Loved that car to death. But as said before, owning a RHD car is more of a hassle than anything. Hard to find insurance, making left turns in traffic, seemed that police loved them too (got pulled over numerous times and told that I needed a RHD sticker etc) and lets not forget going through drive thru's!


I was actually really considering importing a S15 before I ended up with my twin. Sure the price isnt the same but I'm really glad I didn't follow through with another import.