openflash tablet vs ecutek tune

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by Shiv@Openflash

You could say that it "reaks of laziness"

OMG I had actually typed that but then removed it hahaha..

[toast]

Originally Posted by xuimod

Lolol. That ain't math. That's eyeballing it. Since you are so good at math, what's the area under the curve before and after from 3200-4700 rpm? Give me specific numbers. Because the difference does not look anywhere near 50%. I would say maybe 20% difference.

First off, define your argument and don't change it mid-debate. Shiv's statement that you took issue with was "Our OTS maps pretty much redue [sic] the size of the infamous torque dip by 50% which makes for a much more responsive and drivable car." I will constrain my response to this statement. I took the period from 3200-4700 rpm because that is where the stock tune drops in torque. You wanted math, here it is:



The amount of dip in the OFT OTS map is the light blue area MINUS the dark blue (since that area is a gain). If you do a pixel count on the colors in that chart you get 1928 light blue, 133 dark blue for a total dip in torque of 1795 pixels.

Next take the total area of the dip on the stock map:



Do a pixel count here and you get 3401.

In the end, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. Shiv did lie, the torque dip on the OFT map is 53% of the area of the stock dip, not 50%!!!!!

Although one could make the argument that 53% is 'pretty much' 50%.

You are clearly much closer with your estimate of a 20% reduction...

[s2d4]

That isn't even the E85 vs stock dyno?
Lololololol

[mike7792]

So I'm new to this and since this thread has been completely derailed, I'll ask my question here lol

I have a Invidia N1 catback with a drop in filter, will I see any noticeable gains from OFT tune?
I am undecided on purchasing a UEL header first or OFT first

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by mike7792

So I'm new to this and since this thread has been completely derailed, I'll ask my question here lol

I have a Invidia N1 catback with a drop in filter, will I see any noticeable gains from OFT tune?
I am undecided on purchasing a UEL header first or OFT first

Yes, you will see more (and better) gains with the OFT. Then adding a UEL header after that will be another significant upgrade. Doing the UEL first will improve power a bit but will not fix the drivability shortcomings.

[cameronjones239]

I have been running oft for a month, I guarantee it will change the feel of your car. I was uncertain at first. The low into mid range is so much more usable. Shifting under 4k and getting on the throttle into the next gear the car actually pulls instead of feeling so dead. The tq dip is still there a little as this thread has shown, but throw the OFH on there and it'll be close if not completely gone.
When the weather gets nicer I will be making a video of each gear doing pulls from 2k-7k rpm with side by side comparison of stock vs stage 1.

[nunonuna]

Originally Posted by xuimod

Oh yeah, it works great as long as you edit the hell out of the CSV file. And you have to edit it a very specific way.

Not everyone wants to figure out how to make OFT's CSV files compliant for Virtual Dyno. Meanwhile almost 2 dozen other pieces of tuner software are compliant.

Why doesn't Shiv just get with Virtual Dyno make it compliant out of the box like almost every other tuning software out there? That reaks of laziness.

Ask virtual dyno to support OFT log format!!~ its not OFT that doesn't support virtual dyno!! You got it worng. It is virtual dyno sucks not to support OFT data log format as is!! It is Virtual Dyno team's job to do NOT shiv's job. Do you really think that those ecu tuning comapnies such as Cobb, ecutek, etc developed their product to create data log that supports virtual Dyno?? It was virtual Dyno who made software to support those different formats of data log.

[nunonuna]

Originally Posted by mike7792

So I'm new to this and since this thread has been completely derailed, I'll ask my question here lol

I have a Invidia N1 catback with a drop in filter, will I see any noticeable gains from OFT tune?
I am undecided on purchasing a UEL header first or OFT first

I had decent gain back in few months ago.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1890870

[phrosty]

Originally Posted by nunonuna

I had decent gain back in few months ago.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1890870

Unfortunately without the baseline being the same car, it isn't super helpful. Tuners have noted these cars have a pretty wide range when it comes to stock performance/tunability.

[nunonuna]

Originally Posted by phrosty

Unfortunately without the baseline being the same car, it isn't super helpful. Tuners have noted these cars have a pretty wide range when it comes to stock performance/tunability.

Just wanted to show him he can expect gain. Not exactly like my numbers.

Yeah the baseline is not my car, but do you really think that base fr-s Dyno number would have significant difference on a same exact dyno?? If baseline was from another dyno + different location, I would agree with your comment, but the dyno was same exact dyno on same exact location. What would be the difference do you think?? Im talking about base born stock number.

[continuecrushing]

Originally Posted by nunonuna

Just wanted to show him he can expect gain. Not exactly like my numbers.

Yeah the baseline is not my car, but do you really think that base fr-s Dyno number would have significant difference on a same exact dyno?? If baseline was from another dyno + different location, I would agree with your comment, but the dyno was same exact dyno on same exact location. What would be the difference do you think?? Im talking about base born stock number.

time of day, alignment of stars, weather, temp, humidity, engine variances would make for differences in numbers, and since everyone is splitting hairs in here it wouldn't be taken seriously haha

[yomny]

Ecutek>OFT and there's a reason why one cost more than the other. The same thing goes for suspension, turbo kits..... and pretty much anything in life. with ecutek you could chose from over 100's of master tuners and with OFT just its developer.. unless you're good with tuning and do it yourself.

[Shiv@Openflash]

Originally Posted by yomny

Ecutek>OFT and there's a reason why one cost more than the other. The same thing goes for suspension, turbo kits..... and pretty much anything in life. with ecutek you could chose from over 100's of master tuners and with OFT just its developer.. unless you're good with tuning and do it yourself.

There are a few faults with your logic here. They reason why OFT is less expensive is because of our business model, not due to perceived inferiority.

[Bader]

Originally Posted by yomny

Ecutek>OFT and there's a reason why one cost more than the other. The same thing goes for suspension, turbo kits..... and pretty much anything in life. with ecutek you could chose from over 100's of master tuners and with OFT just its developer.. unless you're good with tuning and do it yourself.

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